Sean Dyche: Everton Senior Men's team manager (sack watch)

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Fans are losing patience already. Some saying if we fail to beat Bournemouth and Luton then he should go...
 

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So Lampard wasn’t the problem after all? Interesting :wenger:
 

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Fans are losing patience already. Some saying if we fail to beat Bournemouth and Luton then he should go...
He should be sacked on the spot instead of giving him more games. Even if you win against Bournemouth and Luton this team is still going nowhere under him.
 

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So Lampard wasn’t the problem after all? Interesting :wenger:
It's interesting how the Lampard vs Gerrard debate continues as to who is the worse manager as opposed the best player.

Everton would be mid table in the championship if Super Frank was still there.
 

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It's interesting how the Lampard vs Gerrard debate continues as to who is the worse manager as opposed the best player.

Everton would be mid table in the championship if Super Frank was still there.

Dyche has a lower win percentage!
 

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So Lampard wasn’t the problem after all? Interesting :wenger:
I can't remember if it was yourself or another Chelsea fan that noted once the rot sets in it's hard to shake off. It's similar with us.

In the above tweet you can see how much we have dropped since Ancelotti. Gone from a top performing manager to the next three who are almost the worst three in our whole history as a club.
 

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Dyche has a lower win percentage!
I'd get rid of Dyche as well. Let's be honest though, Everton must have some ancient curse on them. They could bring in Pep and the city team and they would somehow end up bottom half.
 

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Fans are losing patience already. Some saying if we fail to beat Bournemouth and Luton then he should go...
He's the style of manager that wouldn't have had any patience from the fans to begin with in reality.
 

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He's the style of manager that wouldn't have had any patience from the fans to begin with in reality.
It's interesting because sometimes he has a style that is quite decent in terms of the high press and intensity but for some reason you only see that 3 or 4 games a season and the rest is terrible football and sitting deep to claim a 0-0.
 

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Everton just have a losing culture running through them now. I know from experience you can spent 100s of millions and still not correct that

Following the same trajectory as we did after finishing 6th regularly under O'Neill. We then made a bizarre appointment hiring Alex McLeish and finished 16th in the end and narrowly avoiding relegation so same with Benitez. Then had years under Lambert losing endlessly at home and not even scoring a goal for 5-6 games. So far this season it's played 5 and not scored in 4 of those games.

We sacked McLeish in 2012 and didn't get relegated until 2016 so that shows how long it can take for established team to actually go down, same for likes of Sunderland and Newcastle back in those times.

Of course Everton is historic top flight team and never getting relegated since 1950s is part of their DNA but they badly need a re-set and hardly to see them doing that quickly at prem level anymore regardless of who the manager is.
 

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Everton just have a losing culture running through them now. I know from experience you can spent 100s of millions and still not correct that

Following the same trajectory as we did after finishing 6th regularly under O'Neill. We then made a bizarre appointment hiring Alex McLeish and finished 16th in the end and narrowly avoiding relegation so same with Benitez. Then had years under Lambert losing endlessly at home and not even scoring a goal for 5-6 games. So far this season it's played 5 and not scored in 4 of those games.

We sacked McLeish in 2012 and didn't get relegated until 2016 so that shows how long it can take for established team to actually go down, same for likes of Sunderland and Newcastle back in those times.

Of course Everton is historic top flight team and never getting relegated since 1950s is part of their DNA but they badly need a re-set and hardly to see them doing that quickly at prem level anymore regardless of who the manager is.
You are right. The Benitez appointment, his decisions and other mitigating circumstances that season started the rot that we are struggling to get out of and we need a complete reset.
 

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Everton just have a losing culture running through them now. I know from experience you can spent 100s of millions and still not correct that

Following the same trajectory as we did after finishing 6th regularly under O'Neill. We then made a bizarre appointment hiring Alex McLeish and finished 16th in the end and narrowly avoiding relegation so same with Benitez. Then had years under Lambert losing endlessly at home and not even scoring a goal for 5-6 games. So far this season it's played 5 and not scored in 4 of those games.

We sacked McLeish in 2012 and didn't get relegated until 2016 so that shows how long it can take for established team to actually go down, same for likes of Sunderland and Newcastle back in those times.

Of course Everton is historic top flight team and never getting relegated since 1950s is part of their DNA but they badly need a re-set and hardly to see them doing that quickly at prem level anymore regardless of who the manager is.
Not rolling over for Liverpool would be a good start. Ancelotti addressed that a bit in his time there.
 

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It's interesting because sometimes he has a style that is quite decent in terms of the high press and intensity but for some reason you only see that 3 or 4 games a season and the rest is terrible football and sitting deep to claim a 0-0.
Yeah, I also noticed that in the past with Dyche.

You expect them to sit back, play really ugly and aim for a 0-0 or maybe nick a win,

but every now and then his teams play pretty good football that has nothing to do with how they usually play,
and it only lasts for a very very short period of time (if not just the one-off game...).

Weird.
 

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Yeah, I also noticed that in the past with Dyche.

You expect them to sit back, play really ugly and aim for a 0-0 or maybe nick a win,

but every now and then his teams play pretty good football that has nothing to do with how they usually play,
and it only lasts for a very very short period of time (if not just the one-off game...).

Weird.
Yep. It's odd.

We are also massively underperforming in terms of xG and xP so shows that he is capable of managing a side to have decent attacking output but results are what matter.
 

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Not rolling over for Liverpool would be a good start. Ancelotti addressed that a bit in his time there.
Liverpool rarely win at Goodison.

Compare their record away to Everton in last 6-7 years to Man. City anyway.
 

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Yep. It's odd.

We are also massively underperforming in terms of xG and xP so shows that he is capable of managing a side to have decent attacking output but results are what matter.
Maybe he's like Mourinho, in the sense that his (one of) biggest fears seems to be that his team will be left open.
I remember some United games under him where our attack looked rather well and we dominated the other team, had them pushed back, and played on the front foot...

and he didn't seem to like the performances as much as the fans did, because we essentially were easier to play against on the counter.
 

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Liverpool rarely win at Goodison.

Compare their record away to Everton in last 6-7 years to Man. City anyway.
They don't lose though. Everton have won one derby since Benitez lost his job as Liverpool manager, and even that was at Anfield. They haven't won at home since 2010.