Shooting in Dayton, Ohio | 4th August 2019

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That was Joe:

 

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It will turn out that he was active in incel communities online. And so there will have been two separate mass shootings driven by online radicalization. And still some people will claim it's just harmless memes.
Or this post this nonsense on social media.

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It is deeply concerning that the mass shooting tragedies our nation continues to endure are used as pawns in the political arena. As a conservative republican voter and a Christian, these mass shootings are not democratic nor republican led... they are a result of pure evil and should be treated as such.

Our leaders need to stop blaming one another, the NRA, etc ... and need to unite as one. With the constant attack on God and division amongst our society & our country it is not shocking to see a continued pattern of evil/terrorism afflicting our nation.

I pray and urge all my friends and family to do the same. Take a knee not for people like Kapernick but in prayer to God. Pray for our country..for peace..and for unification under Jesus Christ.
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^'Stop criticising the things I support'.
 

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At work this morning, people are sying this guy went on a rampage because his sister was dating a black guy but can't see any conformation of this online. Anyone seen anything regarding a motive?
 

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Ok someone else just told me apparently he was a leftist nut. Starting to think the people I work with aren't reliable sources of information.
 

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How do they work then?

7.5 males dying per 100,000 is a 1 in a 13,333 annual risk of being murdered. Over the course of a lifetime (76 years) that would 13,333 divided by 76 which is 1 in 175 chance wouldn’t it? If not what would it be?
Every year you have a 7.5/100,000 chance of being murdered. You have to approach it by asking what are the chances you don’t get murdered in any of the 76 years you live.
That is (1-(7.5/100,000))^76
I.e. you have to get ‘lucky’ every year and the chances of that happening are 0.999925 * 0.999925 * 0.999925 * 0.999925........ 76 times.
The probability of you not getting murdered in 76 years is 99.4316%. So you have a 0.5684% chance of being murdered in a 76 year life span. This is 1 in 175.93.
The answer is nearly the same as yours due to the chances of being murdered in any one year being nearly 0 but would have got very different results with a higher probability and your answer would have been way off.
 

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Ok someone else just told me apparently he was a leftist nut. Starting to think the people I work with aren't reliable sources of information.
Reports are that on social media he was a not particularly interesting left wing bloke but in real life had a history of violent misogynist threats, including supposedly getting kicked out of school for getting caught with a list of girls he wanted to kill. His sister was indeed one of the victims. Not seen anything suggesting he himself attempted to provide his reasons for mass murder.

EDIT - Apologies if I've confused any of the information there with the other shooting. Also, I'm just saying what I've seen claimed a few times from sources I have some degree of faith in but I'm absolutely not confident of any of it. It's still pretty early to know much.
 

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If that story checks out, we'll in two days have seen the difference between a mass shooting and a terrorist attack. The first one was obviously politically motivated, online manifesto and everything, while this one... might just be some guy who wanted to kill his sister and some other people? There's no difference as far as gun policy goes, of course, or the suffering caused.
 

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If that story checks out, we'll in two days have seen the difference between a mass shooting and a terrorist attack. The first one was obviously politically motivated, online manifesto and everything, while this one... might just be some guy who wanted to kill his sister and some other people? There's no difference as far as gun policy goes, of course, or the suffering caused.

Looks like people want to say the Texas one was inspired by hate and bigotry while this one the guy was insane
 

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At work this morning, people are sying this guy went on a rampage because his sister was dating a black guy but can't see any conformation of this online. Anyone seen anything regarding a motive?
(CNN)A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.

As a high school student, the gunman had a "hit list" of classmates he wanted to "kill" or "rape," said former students who said they were told by school officials they were on the list. He said the list was separated into two columns: a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.

Spencer Brickler said a counselor at Bellbrook High School in Ohio told him he and his sister were on Connor Betts' hit list. Brickler recalled sitting on a school bus about nine years ago when he saw Betts getting escorted away by officers investigating the threats.
"He was kind of dark and depressive in high school," said Brickler, who was a freshman when the school counselor told him about the hit list. He said he had no idea what prompted Betts, then a sophomore, to put him or his sister on the list.
Several of Betts' former classmates told CNN that they recalled Betts being removed from the school for at least a year, but that he later returned to Bellbrook High.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html
No, just the above.

And this. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-shooting-victims/index.html
 
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Looks like people want to say the Texas one was inspired by hate and bigotry while this one the guy was insane
Far right groups are going to some lengths to make the Toledo Dayton shooting a leftist terror attack. Obvious and expectable deflection tactics after one of theirs just commited a terror attack.
 

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Far right groups are going to some lengths to make the Toledo Dayton shooting a leftist terror attack. Obvious and expectable deflection tactics after one of theirs just commited a terror attack.

Or they are telling the truth that he was left wing and often tweeted support for Bernie and Warren
 

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Or they are telling the truth that he was left wing and often tweeted support for Bernie and Warren
That doesn't make the shooting an act of terror, i.e., linked to a political agenda. Unlike the other shooter who wrote a fecking essay of racist lunacy to justify his actions.
 

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That doesn't make the shooting an act of terror, i.e., linked to a political agenda. Unlike the other shooter who wrote a fecking essay of racist lunacy to justify his actions.
Irrelevant now. Right wing media and the crowd will go to town on his twitter feed now and paint him explicitly as a left wing terrorist.
 

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So it's an act of terror when it's a right wing shooter but not when it's a left wing shooter ? :confused:
 

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Or they are telling the truth that he was left wing and often tweeted support for Bernie and Warren
So it's an act of terror when it's a right wing shooter but not when it's a left wing shooter ? :confused:
If a right-winter kills someone, it's murder. If a left-winger kills someone, it's murder. But if either writes a manifesto detailing the very specific political reasons for their attack on a very specific group, it's right- or left-wing terrorism.

Well, let's be honest, these days it's always right-wing terrorism in the West. The left hasn't really done any since the Cold War, except for separatist terror - and not much of that lately.
 

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So it's an act of terror when it's a right wing shooter but not when it's a left wing shooter ? :confused:
If the left wing shooter left information explaining he did it because of his left wing views, we'll take that seriously. At the moment it looks like his history of violent misogyny is the answer.

The white supremacists, being terrorists and all, have a tendency to tell us their political motivations.
 

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Fox headline: "WSJ: 'Dayton shooter is a leftist but don't connect him to Warren' "

Never ever have shame or scruples when saying a word to these people. Lies>truth and the point is to use them broadly and well.