Should English football be suspended?

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fecking Sir Charles Walker, man of the people and world renowned public health expert. I despair.
 

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Meh, first wave in Europe wasn’t solved by lockdown at all, as it dropped off the map in all countries when Summer hit, no matter what they did, just as it does with every other upper respiratory virus.
So much more of these wasted resources from failed lockdown 1 & 2 should have gone into training nursing staff, improving hospitals and massive pay increases for NHS staff to deal with what may end up being 3 or 4 nightmare winters.
Lockdown should’ve been saved for the situation the UK may be due to face in the next weeks.
But lockdowns aren't designed to eradicate covid?
 

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It won't be cancelled.

I do think the FA/premier league are worried if they stop now Uefa will still insist euros go ahead so will be no time to let the season run into June again given other major leagues aren't having many games postponed (think French league is only one to have had a few games called off looking at their table and many of them were start of the season).

If premier league were confident Fifa would scrap the March international break I reckon we'd stop for 2-3 weeks and start up again in early Feb and that's really the right thing to do as next few weeks are going to be very grim indeed.

I really don't see the euros being cancelled unless you see many games in other euro leagues being called off and that's not happened so far.
 

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Can we suspend the FA Cup for the rest of the season? It's truly awful at the moment.

I'm actually one of those people who believes in the magic of the cup, who would like to preserve it's importance if possible. I think playing it right now could be damaging to it. Teams are obviously caring less about it than they ever have and the sides that some have been able to field due to circumstances beyond their control is making this a bit of a joke. I wonder if the lack of caring could be a permanent thing, speeding up the decline of the competition even more.

Cancelling this rubbish would also free up some spots for all the league games that already and will need rearranging and there's bound to be further postponements.
 
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fecking Sir Charles Walker, man of the people and world renowned public health expert. I despair.
Something tells me your circumstances are very very comfortable. Not everyone is so fortunate.
 

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Something tells me your circumstances are very very comfortable. Not everyone is so fortunate.
What's that got to do with the fact that Sir Charles Walker a) doesn't know what the feck he's talking about b) is not on your team. Like all Tory sirs he's very much on his own team and out to exploit your problems. Unlike, for example, public health experts.
 

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Don't even think about cancelling football. It's all a lot of people have at this stage.
Cancel European or international competition if needed but not domestic. Please
 
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What's that got to do with the fact that Sir Charles Walker a) doesn't know what the feck he's talking about b) is not on your team. Like all Tory sirs he's very much on his own team and out to exploit your problems. Unlike, for example, public health experts.
I don’t know who he is but based on the video he seems to genuinely care about the mental well-being of the people who these lockdowns have been harshest on & is giving a voice to people who have been neglected by this governments shocking handling of covid & repeatedly maligned as “covidiots” by privileged hypocrites like Piers Morgan. Fair play to him. Based on the YouTube comments on those videos it seems a lot of people find it refreshing to see a politician with a bit of humanity.

How long are you prepared to have your freedom restricted? Another 6 months? A year? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? Even the most ardent supporters of the lockdowns & tier systems will have a breaking point.
 

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I see @Moz has received the same lazy “I assume you’re on a wind up” comment for bringing up the cons of lockdown that I got on here last time.

The number of educated people blindly trusting the money/click hungry media & this incompetent government is very strange to me.
Until we have a realistic and meaningful alternative, lockdown is the only viable method of preventing the virus spreading wildly out of control. There is no known alternative available to us at this time.

Can you suggest an alternative?

Same question @Moz
 
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The lockdown in November allowed cases to decrease as well, to think it was only related to the summer is mad.
Explain why the Summer stops every upper respiratory virus in it’s tracks then?
And why cases/deaths in every single European country dropped of a cliff in the Summer despite the measures?

We were lucky it arrived in March and yes, many countries wasted time and insane amounts of money on a pointless lockdown, that money should have been saved, let the Summer in, massive pay rise for NHS staff for the next 3 years, huge training of nurses, lots of new infrastructure.
Then if a total lockdown was still required in Jan/Feb, you have that opportunity to do it once, when it really is “saving the NHS”, rather than a third bloody time with all the negative effects that come with it.
 
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I don’t know who he is but based on the video he seems to genuinely care about the mental well-being of the people who these lockdowns have been harshest on & is giving a voice to people who have been neglected by this governments shocking handling of covid & repeatedly maligned as “covidiots” by privileged hypocrites like Piers Morgan. Fair play to him. Based on the YouTube comments on those videos it seems a lot of people find it refreshing to see a politician with a bit of humanity.

How long are you prepared to have your freedom restricted? Another 6 months? A year? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? Even the most ardent supporters of the lockdowns & tier systems will have a breaking point.
Does he feck genuinely care. Tory giving a voice to the underprivileged, do me a fecking favour. If you're mad about lockdowns, get mad about test & trace, get mad about the fact that we still don't have a zero Covid strategy in the UK, get yourself vaccinated as soon as you can, and whenever you get a chance, don't fecking vote for people who constantly take the piss out of you like this guy.

He was whingeing about lockdowns during the very first one if I remember rightly, along with all the other rabid extremist nutters on the right of his party. I seem to remember he was all in favour of eat out to help out as well. That worked out really well.
 
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The lockdown in November allowed cases to decrease as well
Did it?

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/did-...ats-going-on-with-covid-19-across-the-country

or did tier 4 regions already spark the drop in cases?

Hancock himself said the November lockdown didn’t work, so there you’ve got 1 & 2 as pointless exercises, and now a lockdown is probably needed for the first time, and people are fed up of it, tired of it, and it will never be as affective now.
And all the money wasted on those two that could have gone to the NHS in preparation for the real full Covid-winter.... up in smoke!
 

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Did it?

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/did-...ats-going-on-with-covid-19-across-the-country

or did tier 4 regions already spark the drop in cases?

Hancock himself said the November lockdown didn’t work, so there you’ve got 1 & 2 as pointless exercises, and now a lockdown is probably needed for the first time, and people are fed up of it, tired of it, and it will never be as affective now.
And all the money wasted on those two that could have gone to the NHS in preparation for the real full Covid-winter.... up in smoke!
Yes it did. Hancock is a fecking idiot, why would you rely on him as any kind of useful source about anything?

 

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People falling for the shite spewed by people like Charles Walker is exactly how Brexit happened and the Tory's remaining in power. They pretend to speak for the people, but the truth is they couldn't be further away from them. It's amazing it still works on some folk.
 

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Explain why the Summer stops every upper respiratory virus in it’s tracks then?
And why cases/deaths in every single European country dropped of a cliff in the Summer despite the measures?

We were lucky it arrived in March and yes, many countries wasted time and insane amounts of money on a pointless lockdown, that money should have been saved, let the Summer in, massive pay rise for NHS staff for the next 3 years, huge training of nurses, lots of new infrastructure.
Then if a total lockdown was still required in Jan/Feb, you have that opportunity to do it once, when it really is “saving the NHS”, rather than a third bloody time with all the negative effects that come with it.
"Other respiratory virus" don't slow down in june to start again in september/october. Pretending that covid is just like any seasonal virus is insane and plainly false. It might slow down a bit because everybody is outside and all the windows are open but it was a really brief pause and it started again a couple of months later. Covid does not act like other common respiratory viruses, period.
 
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"Other respiratory virus" don't slow down in june to start again in september/october. Pretending that covid is just like any seasonal virus is insane and plainly false. It might slow down a bit because everybody is outside and all the windows are open but it was a really brief pause and it started again a couple of months later. Covid does not act like other common respiratory viruses, period.
It slowed down in late Spring, down to almost nothing in the Summer and started picking up as autumn kicked in, increasing as winter got closer and closer.

It’s a site nastier than the others, but it absolutely is seasonal.
 

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Can you even read those graphs? the big drops in the tier 4 areas is already starting immediately before lockdown has even done anything.
It barely had any effect on the other areas.
So all those areas in Tier 4 post lockdown just randomly started seeing increases in virus cases? All it shows is that local measures aren't very effective against a virus that doesn't give a feck what postcode you're in.

Tier 4 is a lockdown anyway though - it just doesn't involve closing schools which is one of the main transmission methods. We've only really had 2 proper lockdowns. But Tiers 3 and 4 make a lot of people suffer anyway so I'm not sure what your thrust is really. The measures work, regardless of what name you want to call them, and the more you limit social contact, the better they work. Which is pretty obvious really given how a virus spreads.
 
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Anyway, this is too much Covid stats than I ever promised to be arsed with ever again, if you believe the UK government and experts have been correct and continue to be correct, more fool you.

Back to the football talk now, it’ll do nothing for cases and deaths in the UK to stop football, so doing it would be utterly pointless.
 
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So why mention that lockdown didn't solve the first wave, when it wasnt designed to solve the first wave?
Because it was a massive waste of money and caused so much harm, when Summer clearly got cases down (as it does with all upper respiratory viruses), rather than lockdown.
Now it can help the second wave though, cause we’re slap bang in the middle of winter.
 

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It slowed down in late Spring, down to almost nothing in the Summer and started picking up as autumn kicked in, increasing as winter got closer and closer.

It’s a site nastier than the others, but it absolutely is seasonal.
No it's not and it's absurd to pretend otherwise. Seasonnal viruses peak during 4-6 weeks PER YEAR and do so because we have herd immunity. Until we reach that point, it will not be a seasonal virus. A peak in march, then october, then december is not a seasonal virus pattern.

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/covid-19-will-probably-become-seasonal-but.html

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201005/Will-COVID-19-become-a-seasonal-virus.aspx
 

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Can you even read those graphs? the big drops in the tier 4 areas is already starting immediately before lockdown has even done anything.
It barely had any effect on the other areas.
Oh come on, it's common knowledge that we had a significant drop in the number of reported cases while the lockdown was in effect. That graph is simply visible evidence of that fact.
 

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Explain why the Summer stops every upper respiratory virus in it’s tracks then?
And why cases/deaths in every single European country dropped of a cliff in the Summer despite the measures?

We were lucky it arrived in March and yes, many countries wasted time and insane amounts of money on a pointless lockdown, that money should have been saved, let the Summer in, massive pay rise for NHS staff for the next 3 years, huge training of nurses, lots of new infrastructure.
Then if a total lockdown was still required in Jan/Feb, you have that opportunity to do it once, when it really is “saving the NHS”, rather than a third bloody time with all the negative effects that come with it.
Have you got any empirical evidence that suggests any of that would work?

And that we would hypothetically see the same/less amount of deaths as opposed to more, using your method?
 

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Because it was a massive waste of money and caused so much harm, when Summer clearly got cases down (as it does with all upper respiratory viruses), rather than lockdown.
Now it can help the second wave though, cause we’re slap bang in the middle of winter.
But one, how do we know it was simply summer that got cases down and nothing to do with the lockdown? And two, the whole point is to not strain the NHS. The strain on the NHS by doing nothing would obviously cause more harm then a lockdown, do you not agree?

FYI, I'm in close contact with a CMO of a health board, and funnily enough she agrees
 
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It's the AMOUNT of players it can affect in one team, look at City, Newcastle, Villa, Morecambe, Villa etc etc.
An injury tends to be one player, another illness like flu tends to be two players if not just single cases, Covid shuts down while training grounds....that's why it's not fair.
The 1000 deaths have nothing to do with football per se, but with the country as a whole, of which the footballers as citizens are part of.
Footballers have to be together on the training ground, in the changing rooms, in pre and post match talks, on the pitch, they are quite high risk hence the need for then to get tests constantly, yet despite all the restrictions they still have case after case. Yet they carry on with small token changes here and there.

I am stating that football is given special dispensation due to money, that is something no one can deny, I can't play football right now as the semi pro league's are cancelled, yet we can play with minimal risk, the reason we're not allowed to? There's no money to be made from us.
Yeah and didn’t Newcastle, Man City and Fulham get their games postponed? Despite the fact it went against the agreement made at the start of restart. So who exactly has been treated unfairly ? Who has had loads of players missing at once due to covid? Villa decided not to reschedule their fa cup game because they couldn’t give a toss about it. Zero chance that happens in a league game.

Secondly have you noticed that three of the four teams who requested postponements have had players literally caught red handed breaking covid rules? These are not random uncontrolled events. So when you start speaking of unfairness perhaps clubs need to control their players and outbreaks better in the Pl, seeing as how it’s not been a problem for 80% of the league.

Footballers are high risk? Since when? Faux concern....

case after case? 16 out of 20 PL clubs have had no outbreak, I’m not sure how such a rate constitutes “case after case”. In fact that number is three as city’s was a false alarm. The football league situation was out of control because they didn’t have track and trace and because most likely loads of players were going around ignoring lockdown rules.
They have it now and so it goes on.

And so what if football is given special dispensation due to money. What effect does this have on tackling the general covid problem engulfing the country? Of all the shit that’s going why is football stopping so important? What difference is it going to make to anything?

Football has to take care of itself, the government were not interested in financially helping football. Have a look at what chairmen of football league clubs have been saying in regards to this. There is no bail out coming their way and so they keep making money by streaming and televising games. It literally cannot get anymore ESSENTIAL if it tried.
The alternative is they stop it all, sit at home doing feck all and most of the football league goes bust, players without jobs, communities without clubs. And for what reason? so you can feel better about not being able to play semi pro? So people can satisfy their faux outrage ? For internet points? Honestly why are we beating over this same drum again?
 

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Yeah and didn’t Newcastle, Man City and Fulham get their games postponed? Despite the fact it went against the agreement made at the start of restart. So who exactly has been treated unfairly ? Who has had loads of players missing at once due to covid? Villa decided not to reschedule their fa cup game because they couldn’t give a toss about it. Zero chance that happens in a league game.

Secondly have you noticed that three of the four teams who requested postponements have had players literally caught red handed breaking covid rules? These are not random uncontrolled events. So when you start speaking of unfairness perhaps clubs need to control their players and outbreaks better in the Pl, seeing as how it’s not been a problem for 80% of the league.

Footballers are high risk? Since when? Faux concern....

case after case? 16 out of 20 PL clubs have had no outbreak, I’m not sure how such a rate constitutes “case after case”. In fact that number is three as city’s was a false alarm. The football league situation was out of control because they didn’t have track and trace and because most likely loads of players were going around ignoring lockdown rules.
They have it now and so it goes on.

And so what if football is given special dispensation due to money. What effect does this have on tackling the general covid problem engulfing the country? Of all the shit that’s going why is football stopping so important? What difference is it going to make to anything?

Football has to take care of itself, the government were not interested in financially helping football. Have a look at what chairmen of football league clubs have been saying in regards to this. There is no bail out coming their way and so they keep making money by streaming and televising games. It literally cannot get anymore ESSENTIAL if it tried.
The alternative is they stop it all, sit at home doing feck all and most of the football league goes bust, players without jobs, communities without clubs. And for what reason? so you can feel better about not being able to play semi pro? So people can satisfy their faux outrage ? For internet points? Honestly why are we beating over this same drum again?
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Only one person with outrage here squire.
You seem to be a tad angry that people feel slightly differently to you. Not sure why this needles you so much.

I reckon a two week curtailment would be more than feasible and would slow the postponements across ALL leagues if the players follow the rules and stay at home. Cancel international fixtures later on in the season in March and you've caught up.
The premiership isn't the be all and end all of football, although you appear to think it is.

You keep going on about faux outrage, I couldn't care less if elite level football is curtailed or not, doesn't affect me in the grand scheme of things, but when it affects the fairness and integrity of the competition then it's a different matter.
For example, Spurs are in the final of the league cup despite getting a bye due to Covid in an earlier round, is that fair?
 

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Its a case of us vs them.

Common man struck at home, cannot work properly nor can play football.

Whereas, professional league clubs are seen as immune. They are allowed to travel, work and play football together. Dont they risk the chances of spread? If they stay at home, its one less chain to focus upon.

Its all about money, the football people and lobby is big, that they get their own rules and benefits. Of course, its double standards.
 

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Only one person with outrage here squire.
You seem to be a tad angry that people feel slightly differently to you. Not sure why this needles you so much.

I reckon a two week curtailment would be more than feasible and would slow the postponements across ALL leagues if the players follow the rules and stay at home. Cancel international fixtures later on in the season in March and you've caught up.
The premiership isn't the be all and end all of football, although you appear to think it is.

You keep going on about faux outrage, I couldn't care less if elite level football is curtailed or not, doesn't affect me in the grand scheme of things, but when it affects the fairness and integrity of the competition then it's a different matter.
For example, Spurs are in the final of the league cup despite getting a bye due to Covid in an earlier round, is that fair?
There’s no anger or outrage, I’m making posts on an Internet forum.

A two week break would be completely pointless, and would just be something done to make it look like something is being done for the sake of doing something. Thats why it’s not even being considered by those in football. All it would do would is massively disrupt the season.

At any point in this corona outbreak, has a two week cut off been enough to curtail any sort of outbreak? Nope.

The majority of PL teams would then have a huge fixture backlog even though they’ve handled their covid situations perfectly. Something like this would show a lack of fairness and integrity.

‘Faux outrage’ isn’t specifically targeted to you, Which is why I said “people” and not “you”. Look in this thread and the general public and you’ll see lots of outrage about football continuing whilst everything else stops. All of a sudden there’s a deep concern for footballers health too.

You seem overly concerned about fairness and integrity. And now it’s the League Cup you mention after I pointed out nobody actually played any league games with most of their team missing. Looks like a change of goalposts.

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You’re 100% right, the double standards is shocking. The government are happy to bail out banks, multi million pound private businesses etc but refuse to help the football league meaning they have to survive on their own.
 
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Its a case of us vs them.

Common man struck at home, cannot work properly nor can play football.

Whereas, professional league clubs are seen as immune. They are allowed to travel, work and play football together. Dont they risk the chances of spread? If they stay at home, its one less chain to focus upon.

Its all about money, the football people and lobby is big, that they get their own rules and benefits. Of course, its double standards.
Do you have any evidence of a death or community outbreak being traced back to a game of football or football training? Surely if it's as dangerous as you're trying to claim you've got some evidence to hand?

It's weird how people are so angry about football carrying-on over lockdown (on a football forum no less) but at the same time don't seem to care about TV production amoung other things carrying-on, all four major soaps are continuing as you were (which is a lot more "risky" given the average age of cast are much older than football squad's and they film indoors) heck even i'm a celebrity was aired over the last lockdown yet not one complaint about that.

And regarding money, ofcourse it's about money, just like with any business to ever exist in history. Football is trying to recover from this pandemic within the guidelines just like a restaurant that can't open for eat in but can still offer takeaway, are you angry towards them aswell or is it just football that's the devil for trying to get back on it's feet?

It's genuinely mental that football is being made a scapegoat and the reaches people are making to argue against it is hilarious.

There’s no anger or outrage, I’m making posts on an Internet forum.

A two week break would be completely pointless, and would just be something done to make it look like something is being done for the sake of doing something. Thats why it’s not even being considered by those in football. All it would do would is massively disrupt the season.

At any point in this corona outbreak, has a two week cut off been enough to curtail any sort of outbreak? Nope.

The majority of PL teams would then have a huge fixture backlog even though they’ve handled their covid situations perfectly. Something like this would show a lack of fairness and integrity.

‘Faux outrage’ isn’t specifically targeted to you, Which is why I said “people” and not “you”. Look in this thread and the general public and you’ll see lots of outrage about football continuing whilst everything else stops. All of a sudden there’s a deep concern for footballers health too.

You seem overly concerned about fairness and integrity. And now it’s the League Cup you mention after I pointed out nobody actually played any league games with most of their team missing. Looks like a change of goalposts.

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You’re 100% right, the double standards is shocking. The government are happy to bail out banks, multi million pound private businesses etc but refuse to help the football league meaning they have to survive on their own.
I honestly thought after all (and i mean all) the arguments against football starting were proven to be nonsense with a largely successful restart of football the don't restart football/cancel it crew would have held their hands up and admitted they got it wrong (i'd like to think i would have if the opposite happened and we tried to restart things but it became impossible). In fairness one has but the rest seem to be stubbornly doubling down, so odd!
 

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Do you have any evidence of a death or community outbreak being traced back to a game of football or football training? Surely if it's as dangerous as you're trying to claim you've got some evidence to hand?

It's weird how people are so angry about football carrying-on over lockdown (on a football forum no less) but at the same time don't seem to care about TV production amoung other things carrying-on, all four major soaps are continuing as you were (which is a lot more "risky" given the average age of cast are much older than football squad's and they film indoors) heck even i'm a celebrity was aired over the last lockdown yet not one complaint about that.

And regarding money, ofcourse it's about money, just like with any business to ever exist in history. Football is trying to recover from this pandemic within the guidelines just like a restaurant that can't open for eat in but can still offer takeaway, are you angry towards them aswell or is it just football that's the devil for trying to get back on it's feet?

It's genuinely mental that football is being made a scapegoat and the reaches people are making to argue against it is hilarious.
First, footballers dont qualify for essential work. Then are footballers really living in a “bubble”. They still have private lives, personal contacts. And thus, there is a chain and possibility of spread. They arent living, and working in a same place, which is the reality for many unfortunate workers today.

When most countries today have restrictions for group gathering of any forms. Yet, such football teams are except from it. Restaurants are working with the current system, and under severe restrictions. Not a valid comparison.

Football is targeted because Covid as only increased the gap between fans and players. The money gap was always there, now double standards in the current pandemic. Whats the point of supporting such teams and players? Its morally wrong...
 

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First, footballers dont qualify for essential work. Then are footballers really living in a “bubble”. They still have private lives, personal contacts. And thus, there is a chain and possibility of spread. They arent living, and working in a same place, which is the reality for many unfortunate workers today.

When most countries today have restrictions for group gathering of any forms. Yet, such football teams are except from it. Restaurants are working with the current system, and under severe restrictions. Not a valid comparison.

Football is targeted because Covid as only increased the gap between fans and players. The money gap was always there, now double standards in the current pandemic. Whats the point of supporting such teams and players? Its morally wrong...
I ask again, Has there been any evidence of a death or community outbreak traced back to football? And are you equally outraged about TV production continuing?

Also you're wrong about it making the gap wider, at my club alone we have offered our resources to key workers and had members of our squad and coaching staff (Mount with an old lady shielding and Lampard with an NHS worker the two prime examples) reach out to some of our fans for a standard chat.
 

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Wasn't part of the reason why football stopped is medical personnel attending games, ambulances etc at games without crowds for the players? When we see areas around the country at the limit with covid and non covid patients and the explosion of this new strain from the south east outwards to the rest of the country i would've thought football shouldn't continue due to medical personnel needed elsewhere than 22 men kicking a bag of wind around. Same goes for "Elite sport" in general Rugby and so forth, all need medical personnel in attendance unless this part is all private?

Whatever the case it seems the PL chief says no and I don't see any room for a month break and we're about 5-6 games behind last time I looked recently.
 
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I honestly thought after all (and i mean all) the arguments against football starting were proven to be nonsense with a largely successful restart of football the don't restart football/cancel it crew would have held their hands up and admitted they got it wrong (i'd like to think i would have if the opposite happened and we tried to restart things but it became impossible). In fairness one has but the rest seem to be stubbornly doubling down, so odd!
It’s as if we’re all in a weird men in black world where Tommy Lee and Will Smith have erased all memory of the discussions that went on in here in June.
Look at the nonsense the poster you’re currently engaging with is spouting. Anyway I’m out....


Wasn't part of the reason why football stopped is medical personnel attending games, ambulances etc at games without crowds for the players? When we see areas around the country at the limit with covid and non covid patients and the explosion of this new strain from the south east outwards to the rest of the country i would've thought football shouldn't continue is medical personnel needed elsewhere than 22 men kicking a bag of wind around. Same goes for "Elite sport" in general Rugby and so forth, all need medical personnel in attendance unless this part is all private?
:lol: Brilliant.
 

ariveded

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I ask again, Has there been any evidence of a death or community outbreak traced back to football? And are you equally outraged about TV production continuing?

Also you're wrong about it making the gap wider, at my club alone we have offered our resources to key workers and had members of our squad and coaching staff (Mount with an old lady shielding and Lampard with an NHS worker the two prime examples) reach out to some of our fans for a standard chat.
Why has football been exempted from the group gathering bans? These are large number of people with their own personal contacts/homes, getting together for many hours, at a single place. That itself is contradict to the general health advice around. The risk and spread is there, and that's why many clubs have had serious outbreaks.

Yet, football is selfishly given a free run. As stated, Covid has increased the gap between fans and football team/players. They say they represent the fans, yet that was false back then, and even more so now.
 

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Why has football been exempted from the group gathering bans? These are large number of people with their own personal contacts/homes, getting together for many hours, at a single place. That itself is contradict to the general health advice around. The risk and spread is there, and that's why many clubs have had serious outbreaks.
Stop avoiding the questions.

1. Are you equally as outraged about TV production carrying on?

2. Has there been any evidence of a (just one) community outbreak traced back to football?