Should we renew De Gea's contract?

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Yes with really reduced wages (less than 100K)
 
He's not staying for less than 100k wages. There are plenty of teams he can move to that will pay him more than that and we should not stand in his way.
 
50% off current wages still makes him one of the top earning GK's in the world he shouldn't be anywhere near that.
 
Nobody else wants him.

And he's not got much to bargain with after tonight.

Out ta fcuk with him.
 
The absurd thing he's asking for more than 200k apparently when there's no team in Europe who would offer him even half that.

De Gea and Mendes have been making a mockery out of the clowns running United for the last 5 years.
 
peridigm said:
He's not staying for less than 100k wages. There are plenty of teams he can move to that will pay him more than that and we should not stand in his way.
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Who do you think would pay him more than 100K?
 
Even if he were on 80k, he'd still be one of the top paid keepers in the league and in the world.

Get rid.
 
I dont know how useful he is in terms of dressing room presence so cant comment on 100k wages. But no
 
The third option above is pretty pointless as we have no idea what the terms of his contract will be, 100k is a completely abritrary figure and most fans probably don't care that much about the exact amount someone gets paid.

The real options facing the club are:

1) Yes, we should stick with him.
2) Yes, but only because we have bigger priorities this summer, replacing him can wait.
3) No, he needs to be replaced this summer.

I think three but there's an argument for two depending on circumstances.
 
sullydnl said:
The third option above is pretty pointless as we have no idea what the terms of his contract will be, 100k is a completely abritrary figure and most fans probably don't care that much about the exact amount someone gets paid.

The real options facing the club are:

1) Yes, we should stick with him.
2) Yes, but only because we have bigger priorities this summer, replacing him can wait.
3) No, he need to be replaced this summer.
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Only as a reserve fits for the 3rd option. His contract is up this summer i feel like its decision time now.
 
No, unless it’s on a salary fitting of a backup keeper which is what he has to be. Assuming we don’t want Erik sacked next summer.
 
peridigm said:
He's not staying for less than 100k wages. There are plenty of teams he can move to that will pay him more than that and we should not stand in his way.
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Like who? Is there a great queue of clubs wanting to speak to him that literally no journalist in the world has caught wind of?
 
No, he shouldn't stay as number or as a number 2

He's not good enough to be number 1 and if we keep him as a number 2, we'd have to switch up our style of play just to bring him in for a game.

Financially he also wouldn't be worth it even if he accepts a considerable pay cut on his current wages. We also don't need meek personalities like his around.
 
Realistically it also depends on what your ambitions for next season are.

If you actually think we should be pushing for a title challenge that soon, you should absolutely want him replaced from the starting eleven this summer.

But I don't particularly think that's realistic. I think a good next season for us is pretty much the same as this one on paper (top four and doing well in some cups), just with a higher level of actual performances to suggest we're really closing the gap on a team like City and the better teams in Europe.

And if that's your aim you can probably make enough improvements elsewhere in the team to achieve that while living with De Gea in the side for another season, painful though it can sometimes be.

Personally I'd just take his contract ending as the natural point to make that change but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we opted to spend our money on other positions, as long as a better top four finish is our aim.
 
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Having Martinez and Varane has completely made us a better team defensively. Unfortunately for DDG, we need to change him too. The transition/evolution must continue.
 
sullydnl said:
Realistically it also depends on what your ambitions for next season are.

If you actually think we should be pushing for a title challenge that soon, you should absolutely want him replaced from the starting eleven this summer.

But I don't particularly think that's realistic. I think a good next season for us is pretty much the same as this one on paper (top four and doing well in some cups), just with a higher level of actual performances to suggest we're really closing the gap on a team like City and the better teams in Europe.

And if that's your aim you can probably make enough improvements elsewhere in the team to achieve that while living with De Gea in the side for another season, painful though it can sometimes be. Personally I'd just take his contract ending as the natural point to make that change but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Well, it also depends if you think this higher level of actual performances can happen with De Gea who is guaranteed to be getting even worse after a new contract. I mean, that's him trying his best to get a new contract.
 
No.

Today's performance is exactly the same as to what cost the job to the likes of Massimo Taibi, Fabien Barthez, Roy Carroll, and Tim Howard. We replaced all of those guys until we ended up with Edwin van der Sar.

It is a cruel world, but football is no place for sentimentality. The man is in total decline and that's the end of the road.
 
We need to move on DDG Maguire Lindelof McT and Martial the next few windows to be a title challenging team.

DDG is one of the first to go since he's first choice right now
 
Idxomer said:
Well, it also depends if you think this higher level of actual performances can happen with De Gea who is guaranteed to be getting even worse after a new contract. I mean, that's him trying his best to get a new contract.
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De Gea would have to have an astoundingly bad season to outweigh the total upside we'd get from adding a quality CF, CM and RB to the starting eleven (for example). Realistically he's not going to get that much worse from his current level.

We can definitely improve around him to be a better top four side and cup team. Just not much more than that. And it's very questionable whether focusing on those other areas is even the most effective way to get that improvement.
 
sullydnl said:
De Gea would have to have an astoundingly bad season to outweigh the total upside we'd get from adding a quality CF, CM and RB to the starting eleven (for example). Realistically he's not going to get that much worse from his current level.

We can definitely improve around him to be a better top four side and cup team. Just not much more than that. And it's very questionable whether focusing on those other areas is even the most effective way to get that improvement.
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We don't even need a world-class keeper to replace him, just an average. I'm thinking signing an experienced keeper like Navas on a short term contract for 1-2 year's until we have the funds to buy a world-class keeper.

The problem with renewing De Gea is that we'll be stuck with him for another 4 years.
 
No. Enough with the token and sentimental nonsense. We can’t have an expensive 2nd choice and his position as first choice is untenable
 
Definitely not,time is up but thanks for the last 12 years of service you have given this club
 
Nope. He can leave along with Martial. Insane wages which don't justify the performances. In Martials case there's also the issue of never being fit. Just any average keeper who isn't scared of coming out to collect crosses would be a massive improvement for us.
 
I think De Gea crossed eras. His skills are no longer sufficient for modern football.
 
Marcus said:
I think De Gea crossed eras. His skills are no longer sufficient for modern football.
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Like I've said before, De Gea came along at the only time he could possibly have been considered a top keeper. If he'd been 20 years earlier (probably even 10 years earlier) his lack of physicality and inability under the high ball would have been even more targeted. Opposition strikers would have eaten him for breakfast and been barging into him a dozen times a match. Hell, our own defenders in the early 90's would have probably destroyed him for his limitations and lack of command behind them.

There was a relatively brief period of time after goalkeepers started being heavily protected but before sweeping and distribution became highly needed. De Gea was lucky enough to play the first half of his career in this period.
 
sullydnl said:
The third option above is pretty pointless as we have no idea what the terms of his contract will be, 100k is a completely abritrary figure and most fans probably don't care that much about the exact amount someone gets paid.

The real options facing the club are:

1) Yes, we should stick with him.
2) Yes, but only because we have bigger priorities this summer, replacing him can wait.
3) No, he needs to be replaced this summer.

I think three but there's an argument for two depending on circumstances.
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I seriously think it can't wait.

I have said this in another thread, I'll say it here. If we renew DDG, ETH won't last more than 12 to 18 months.
 
sullydnl said:
De Gea would have to have an astoundingly bad season to outweigh the total upside we'd get from adding a quality CF, CM and RB to the starting eleven (for example). Realistically he's not going to get that much worse from his current level.

We can definitely improve around him to be a better top four side and cup team. Just not much more than that. And it's very questionable whether focusing on those other areas is even the most effective way to get that improvement.
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The way I see it though, if we want progress over this season, our performances need to be better. Which basically means our control over games needs to be better. That's not happening even if we buy FDJ and Osihmen or whoever, with DDG in goal. Also if we buy an attacking RB without moving from DDG that will be a disaster as the benefits of an attacking RB will be only seen with control of the game which will never happen with DDG.
 
If he ends up staying then it’s a seriously relevant time to consider the introduction of performance related pay.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Is his contract till 2023 or 2024?
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Expires in June with an option for another year that the club has not triggered. There's no way he's going into next season on the same wages.

Look, we've all loved the guy, he put in some world class performances, player of the year and all that, but his time at the very top level has passed. Ole was prepared to move on from him with Henderson until Covid and Hendersons general arsehole behaviour got in the way. Better all round for us to go our seperate ways.
 
Mods can we make the votes public?

Those 3 voting for de Gea to stay are either De Gea's mom, De Gea's agent or scousers.
 
If we do then it will ultimately be the end of Ten Hag and his search of Premier League and Champions League titles.

This would be more stupid than Rooney back in 2013.
 
Absolutely not.

Longer he stays our number 1 the less chance we have of winning a major trophy. He's just one of a number of problems though.
 
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