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James is not on £175k a week I reckon £50-75k.
I understand what you are saying. I think considering Amad's young age, you have a strong point, but the problem is generally with the thinking that all our best players need to be starting every game. We will never win anything with that kind of thinking. Winning trophies takes squad depth, and not the kind of depth where your second choices are barely adequate, but the kind of depth were you pretty much have similarly great choices for the same position. That is how City is winning. It's not just Pep's "genius" as a coach and a manager.There's a scenario where Cavani remains fit 'till Rashford's return and then Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho stay fit 'for most of the season. Then there's the possibility of Pogba being played on the wing and Martial kicking on again. Whether we end up selling James or loaning out Amad, the one that's staying could end up starting some early cup games and barely feature at all. He would have a Mata/VDB/Matic/Tuanzebe type backup role.
I'd rather have Amad come back as serious competition after playing 5000 minutes elsewhere. '22-23 could see some big changes with Greenwood moved to CF and Cavani/Martial/Pogba possibly leaving. A good loan makes the most sense, unless we end up selling both Martial and James.
James' is adequate for that back up role. He works hard, his pace is a threat and he pops up with a goal every 300 minutes on average. We'll still have some lads from the academy, but in James' we'll have a reliable option.
He is at 50k/weekI struggle to believe that even a club as poorly run as us would pay Dan James £175k a week. That’s double what Bruno gets.
How is will anyone else get a chance when they can't even get the squad place occupied by James?Not the right time yet unless he pushes for a move himself. Wait until one of Amad / Pellestri takes their chance.
I hope Ole finally changes that this yearHow is will anyone else get a chance when they can't even get the squad place occupied by James?
Why did James get a run last season between February and April? He was ahead of Martial or Greenwood based on merit. Martial was terrible last season and Greenwood barely scored a goal until that great run towards the end. Not scoring any goals as a winger/striker for 70% of the season as a starter isn't acceptable.I understand what you are saying. I think considering Amad's young age, you have a strong point, but the problem is generally with the thinking that all our best players need to be starting every game. We will never win anything with that kind of thinking. Winning trophies takes squad depth, and not the kind of depth where your second choices are barely adequate, but the kind of depth were you pretty much have similarly great choices for the same position. That is how City is winning. It's not just Pep's "genius" as a coach and a manager.
It is also not a new phenomenon. Ole himself was an unbelievable attacker, both extremely talented and very hard-working, very effective. He was our backup attacker!!! And that's why we were winning everything because we had that kind of depth. Would you EVER compare Dan James to somebody like Ole?
I hate to say it, and I hope they are very successful elsewhere but the fact is: for us, long track record has shown hat players like Dan James and Jesse Lingard are simply not good enough. They are not the kind of super-subs that we need to win things.
Now, I can accept the argument of Amad being young and needing regular play time to develop, but for us to afford that luxury, we need somebody better than Dan James at home. That is the issue. If we don't have anybody else, then we may need Amad to stay just because we will need him during the season
Question: Is Dan James's squad place is based on merit?Why did James get a run last season between February and April? He was ahead of Martial or Greenwood based on merit. Martial was terrible last season and Greenwood barely scored a goal until that great run towards the end. Not scoring any goals as a winger/striker for 70% of the season as a starter isn't acceptable.
None of the players we have is a super sub in the way that Ole was and we had many players for squad depth back in the day that weren't super subs, like Jordi Cruyff.
So why are we comparing Dan James to Ole and not Greenwood or Martial? James was clearly down in the pecking order but had to step in because they were stinking up the place. Dan James isn't supposed to be the first guy off the bench, like Ole was. Cavani had that role last season and next season it could be Greenwood or Martial.
James and Mata should realistically speaking be 3rd choice. There's absolutely no point for Amad to be 3rd choice, he could end up featuring as little as Donny Van De Beek last season.
We can all see the talent, but we don't even know if Amad is a better player than James, currently. We also thought Greenwood was clearly better than Dan James, but he ended up displacing him when his poor form lasted for half a season. If Amad is as talented as we think he is, he'll prove it on loan, not training with the first team waiting for 2 key players to get injured.
| PL minutes | Goals | Assists | Total | Goals+Assists per 90 mins. |
Rashford | 2928 | 11 | 9 | 20 | 0.61 |
Elanga | 156 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.58 |
Amad | 167 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.54 |
Greenwood | 1826 | 7 | 2 | 9 | 0.44 |
Martial | 1488 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 0.42 |
James | 914 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 0.39 |
That's a straw man. I wrote:Question: Is Dan James's squad place is based on merit?
Answer: Not according to stats:
PL minutes Goals Assists Total Goals+Assists per 90 mins. Rashford 2928 11 9 20 0.61 Elanga 156 1 0 1 0.58 Amad 167 0 1 1 0.54 Greenwood 1826 7 2 9 0.44 Martial 1488 4 3 7 0.42 James 914 3 1 4 0.39
I'm clearly talking about the point in time when James displaced Greenwood, somewhere in February.Why did James get a run last season between February and April? He was ahead of Martial or Greenwood based on merit.
That's up to Ole / Amad / Pellestri IMO. Ole has to give them chances and they have to prove they have the potential to make it here when they do get the chance.How is will anyone else get a chance when they can't even get the squad place occupied by James?
Hectic was throwing his net to see how many he could capture. You're the firstWhat??? Surely not? I figured he was on about £50k absolute max.