If he plays in 4-3-3, with more license to bomb forward. In 4-2-3-1 I think he has too much defensive responsibility which is his weak point.
Sky Sports: Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville
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Neville is such an establishment flunky who knows want side his bread is buttered with if he had any balls he would be calling out Woodward.
Chelsea were doing so with a core of a great team. If Fergie retired in 2003 then I guarantee the next 1-2 managers would have won trophies with ferdinand, beckham, Scholes, giggs, Van nisterooy etc.
People forget just how much Moyes fecked us up. He sacked all the coaching team on top of fergie and gill leaving and within his year of being there we then lost Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, RVP. The core of our culture was destroyed.
Agreed.
Not in our setup he isn't. When played in a double pivot he needs a true DM next to him. McTominay is not. Neither is Fred. Matic doesn't have the legs. I think we'd be better off moving him further up the pitch and pairing either Fred or Matic with McTominay.
I agree with the point, when I say 10, it's not like second striker. More like a 3rd midfielder in 4-3-3 who doesn't have much defensive responsibility but can bomb forward. To put it simple, like the role he played when Ole took over.Not sure about moving Pogba to 10. (at 10 downing Street most probably would be better than the incumbent).
One of the strengths of his game is his vision and long passes. At 10 he ll have less space for those
Alright and We ask you not to overreact and cause dramas around the club.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Yes, I'd like to see that too.
No, I get that, you're right. It does feel like we've taken several steps in the right direction this summer.
The problem is that many fans don't see Solskjaer as a manager for the long-term. It's great that he's restoring some of the core United values - but, after that, what's the plan?
He's already done a great job in getting rid of Lukaku and Fellaini, who didn't really suit United, and if he manages to get rid of Sanchez we'll have had a good summer clear-out. He's also given the likes of Greenwood and Gomes a foothold in the first-team squad, and that's brilliant to see.
But now all that essential work is done, what's the next stage? Do we think Solskjaer can take us forward and challenge for the title, or has he already fulfilled his mission as manager?
No matter how great a player he was, it's hard to argue that he's a massive gamble as manager and his time in charge so far doesn't fill you with confidence.
Moreso failing rather than transitioning. But in any case, there was always a risk of a prolonged transition period after such a long-serving manager.
Im sick of this prick
With top managers like Klopp and Guardiola i would 100 % agree with him.
But with an inexperienced and in my opinion incompitent coach like Ole i don't agree, it's a massive risk.
But with an inexperienced and in my opinion incompitent coach like Ole i don't agree, it's a massive risk.
So you have pacy forwards with no space in behind to run into or exploit, what do you say to them keep running at them just for the sake of it. I'm not a big advocate of going back to the days of Moyes when he lauded 50+ crosses in a game. Palace capitalised from two mistakes. Again
Point some fans make about how long is it fair to be patient around the transition I get and I agree with. BUT if you want to sort this mess out then get the right foundation in place. That foundation has not been here since Fergie. Maybe the club has accepted that completely ripping up the old way of spending on big-name has-beens is not the future. Get the right coaching staff in, the right environment and bring us upto at least on par with City, Liverpool, etc with player analytics, fitness, match prep, the environment at the club. All of which was lacking under Jose and Moyes and you could see that with the down tools mentality.
Good players become better players in the right environment.
So yeah, we are in transition, fans don't want to hear it, get over it, there will be darker days to come. We have tried big spending on Falcao, ADM, Shweinstieger, Lukaku, Rojo, Shaw, Depay, Schneiderlin. Failed miserably and the short termism is exactly what has got the club in the mess that it is. Fans want us to ship out 6-8 players and bring in 6-8 and all will be ok. Lunacy, utter lunacy.
My opinion is that it will get better and under Jose we had pretty much hit the bottom.
There’s still a lot more to be done before we’re effectively challenging for the title. Ole should get a fair crack, and if he fails, a new manager will hopefully at least have a strong platform to build on.
When you talk about transitional periods then it has to be defined within the duration of a single manager’s tenure. It’s no good to talk of transition as one long process between the appointment of Moyes and the present moment with Ole, since, every firing and subsequent appointment resets a transitional period in terms of footballing approach, squad profile, tactical development and transfer emphasis. For any real transition to take place, yes, a determinable amount of time must be afforded to one manager over a period of time.
And you don't expect more than record signings ? He asking for patience for Ole to allow him to have the players playing in his system which he is right about because it's completely different to the past few managers . On our record signings surely anyone would want them doing more ? Hypocrite seems to be the fashionable word on here these days
All the fans need to accept that Utd are a top 10 club now.
We have a manager that no one else in the premier league would take.
We have a midfield that none of the top half of the premier league would take.
If all fans come to terms with the reality, then things can only get better.
We have a manager that no one else in the premier league would take.
We have a midfield that none of the top half of the premier league would take.
If all fans come to terms with the reality, then things can only get better.
Spot on again, many just can't accept where we are and expect success immediately however unrealistic it is.
Now how come, you enter a season with everybody knowing 3 main positions you're short of.
It's not like you're 6 months into the season and some players failed. It's 3 games in and I think the majority will agree with your analysis (hence if it's ride or die with the 4231). So you can understand my interrogation on how come United can enter the season in this state.
Honestly, patience is good and important but also a great excuse for mediocrity. For example, I'm still baffled Maguire was recruited for more than last year when the manager were clearly interested in him (and for less money). Maguire has been an upgrade but this has nothing to do with patience.
Patience is good when you have good/competent people in charge, Manchester United never showed it was the case for the past 6 years. When I see Giuseppe Marotta going to Inter in December, and the impact he had just this summer, I can understand Inter fans saying the should have patience to compete against Juventus, if this doesn't work out this year. MU as a club or any person in this club as of now, didn't show anything those past years that would make say a supporter : "Patience, we got this". Maybe OGS who has been there for 8 months now but it's not like he had an amazing resumé to begin with.
TLDR; Basically I agree with you it's just that I'm pretty sure they will feck it up
PS : Playing the devil advocate, the approach was really clear with Van Gaal (not saying his one was the good one... same for OGS actually).
PS2 : Also I'm on board with people taking Neville talks with a huge grain of salt.
Nothing wrong at all with what he said. He speaks with his heart and gets it right most of the time. The football we played against Chelsea and Wolves was very enjoyable.
We are a work in progress with currently Celtic level players trying to partner Scott and Pogba in midfield. In January we will probably go for McGinn or Longstaff.
In the summer if there's no top 4 we can forget about Jadon Sancho, but maybe land Richarlison instead or Chong might emerge.
We are a work in progress with currently Celtic level players trying to partner Scott and Pogba in midfield. In January we will probably go for McGinn or Longstaff.
In the summer if there's no top 4 we can forget about Jadon Sancho, but maybe land Richarlison instead or Chong might emerge.
Which comes back to the post that started that conversation.
Putting Pogba in a position where he isn't really good isn't a solution, we could switch back to a 433 like @roonster09 suggested but that puts a lot more pressure on the front three in terms of outputs and is a different approach.
I'm referring to all foreign players he couldn't wait to stick a knife in starting with DeGea. Even SAF had to tell him to do one back then.
I'm in the same boat. Nothing i dislike more than hypocrites, especially blatant ones and Gary is one of the biggest ones. He's sitting out there preaching about patience when his hypocritical self can't wait for any foreign player to put a foot wrong so he can label them disgraceful, embarrassing, selfish and all those other buzz words they love using in their studios.
I’m 100% going to back Solksjaer but we aren’t in a transition period. We have just fallen off our perch. It was always going to take us a while to get back to where we were under Fergie.
This.
Stop tweeting like a 14 year old kid, Gaz. I loved you as a player and it's a shame to see you being all reactive nowadays.
Although the last two games have not gone to plan, I feel our performances overall against Wolves and Palace have been more positive then nearly majority of the games last year. We dominated them for the best part of 60/70 minutes but lacked to produce an end product. Every game played in the premier league a team like Crystal Palace are going to have a purple patch when they get on top, this is not just against us but against City and Liverpool as well. Its about weathering that 10/15 minute spell which we done badly against palace and wolves but outside of that we where largely the better team.
Last year we failed to dominate teams, have the majority of possession, create actual goal scoring chances actually it was the opposite I can remember numerous games where the so called "Weaker" teams played us of the park (Newcastle, Palace, Cardiff). I think its fair to say in the first 3 games this year we have been the better side in every game with results not reflecting that (bar chelsea).
One transfer window is not going to solve our problems so us as fans have to come to that realization, Ole I think is the man to lead the change but he has to be given time.
Last year we failed to dominate teams, have the majority of possession, create actual goal scoring chances actually it was the opposite I can remember numerous games where the so called "Weaker" teams played us of the park (Newcastle, Palace, Cardiff). I think its fair to say in the first 3 games this year we have been the better side in every game with results not reflecting that (bar chelsea).
One transfer window is not going to solve our problems so us as fans have to come to that realization, Ole I think is the man to lead the change but he has to be given time.
It's all well and good Neville stating that we need to have patience, but the issues at the club are there for all to see. The board have allowed the team to become weaker and we still haven't moved Woodward away from transfer duties.
How Neville can look at our transfer window and see progress at the club is beyond me.
How Neville can look at our transfer window and see progress at the club is beyond me.
Correct, which is why I have no patience, now.
With the value of the squad and the spending, we should have enough fire power to beat CP.
Wolves are a bogey team, so a draw is a fair result.
It will be interesting to see how we do under Southampton.
And for those saying that we are only 3 games in: we have been performing like a relegation team sing the PSG game last season. The "3 games in" excuse doesn't wash with me.
Our club is failing from top to bottom and the sad thing is that I knew that this was on the cards going into the Summer. Many people said that after a pre-season, our fitness will be high, however the results are exactly the same which we saw after the PSG match, last season. The only difference is that we have a better CB and RB - which are positions most fans had identified as weaknesses.
There are fans on here who have such low standards that losing to CP at OT, for the first time in many years, is now deemed as acceptable.
That's true. I'm not confident we are really in transitional period though considering how many deadwood players we have kept, and the fact that I'm not 100% confident our young players are really going to get a proper chance from what I have seen. We are basically going for the most experienced player for all positions. I would literally prefer to finish 8th but see integration of young players like Gomes, Garner, Chong, Williams, Tuanzebe etc. into the team, to at least give them a shot, rather than finish 5th while giving significant minutes to Jones, Mata, Matic etc.
Sick of hearing this rent-a-gob.
Sell the naming rights for 80m p/a? Where does this genius think that little windfall will go? Nearly 150 years of tradition. Manchester United, we are talking about. Proceeds straight into the pockets of these fecking leeches from Florida. feck off Neville. Supporter my arse. The only thing he supports is his bank account.
Sell the naming rights for 80m p/a? Where does this genius think that little windfall will go? Nearly 150 years of tradition. Manchester United, we are talking about. Proceeds straight into the pockets of these fecking leeches from Florida. feck off Neville. Supporter my arse. The only thing he supports is his bank account.
My thoughts exactly. When did this "transition period" begin? Does it stretch back to Moyes, LVG, and Jose; or has it "officially" now started with Ole?
I really don't care about "transition" anymore. I just want to know, for starters, when will we fix the obvious and gaping hole in our midfield. That's what I want to know.
Saying fans should be patient is one of those rather meaningless but agreeable statements. No one's going to counter argue with no we should always be impatient gary!!
Our players should know the system by now we've had enough time for that and it really only is press off the ball. The aspects you can say demand further patience is with our youngsters and that it'll take a couple of seasons to renew the team. There's a long list of things that are close to no longer deserving additional patience if we're being honest.
Our players should know the system by now we've had enough time for that and it really only is press off the ball. The aspects you can say demand further patience is with our youngsters and that it'll take a couple of seasons to renew the team. There's a long list of things that are close to no longer deserving additional patience if we're being honest.
This unfortunately. I'm not sure any of the other big clubs have gone through a 'transition' like this recently?
What's a fair crack though? Bear in mind that he's a complete rookie and was appointed on the basis of a very small number of results.
Personally I'd give him the season to impose his style, weed out the players who don't fit and integrate the Academy products.
If we finish top four, we should give him another year - that to me is our target this year. If we don't, then we should ask ourselves in May if we've improved during the season. Are we developing a playing style that's capable of dominating games, or are we simply a rapid counter-attacking team with no plan B? How are we faring against the other big clubs? Are the fans enjoying the football?
If the answers to these questions are yes, we should give Solskjaer more time. But if not, we should release him and look at alternatives such as Pochettino or Ten Haag.
Yes, but persisting with Pogba in a double pivot without the right partner is asking for trouble. That's why I'm saying we should move him further up the pitch and partner McT with Fred/Matic. It's not about us not liking what we're seeing from Pogba in that role, it's that we don't have a suitable partner for him at the moment. Switching to 4-3-3 is an option yeah. That formation would fit our current squad better. You say it puts a lot more pressure on the front three but does it really? It's not as if our current number 10 is contributing anything so they're having to do everything by themselves already.
God I’m sick of hearing about Gary fecking Neville and what he thinks...
Seems to me he is trying to remain ‘current’
Seems to me he is trying to remain ‘current’
Need at least some year, and some signing and selling
In: Maddison, Sancho, a CM, a LB
Out: Pogba, De Gea, Lingard
Etc
The only one thing sure at this moment is that the squad now is not good enough for the top 10 in EPL
The route is right, no mercenaries, young and english players, buy it will need years, a lot of year at least 3 or 4 minimum
In: Maddison, Sancho, a CM, a LB
Out: Pogba, De Gea, Lingard
Etc
The only one thing sure at this moment is that the squad now is not good enough for the top 10 in EPL
The route is right, no mercenaries, young and english players, buy it will need years, a lot of year at least 3 or 4 minimum
We need success. You don't get that by keeping the wrong man at the job. No wonder Neville speaks of patience though after his Valencia stint.
I'd give Ole one more year and a proper transfer window. If he gets that and we finish outside top 4 boot him.
Yay.Another transition.
And would be he talking like this if manager was not his buddy.I doubt it.
And would be he talking like this if manager was not his buddy.I doubt it.
But Matic and Fred are frankly useless, Pogba and McTominay are a better combination. You aren't fixing a thing by moving Pogba, you are just swapping the Lingard issue with the Fred/Matic issue while playing Pogba in a position where he isn't particularly good. And the other two are worse than Pogba in CM and arguably worse than everything we have as 10.
It wasn't cowardly football it was outsmarting Ole who still hasn't managed to find any kind of playing style or working attacking football against clubs that sit deep.
This is about our 6th transition in as many years so its hard to take seriously.
We'll always be in transition, it's just a word they use that replaces the word failure.
We'll always be in transition, it's just a word they use that replaces the word failure.
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