I think Gaz will be eternally patient as long as we keep his matey as manager and we keep replacing foreign talent with British ones. Having said that, while patience is indeed key, its a two way road. The fans need to be patient while the club need to show ambition and humility to change things around. We under invested throughout the past 2 transfer windows + we've yet to hire a DOF. You don't need a year to find the right DOF.
Sky Sports: Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville
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For the first time ever actually, in the PL era anyway. More precious records destroyed for good!
True. That is the nature of chopping and changing, no consistency. Seemed like everyone wanted a DOF, but not seems to have forgotten everything they learned about the last 6 years and are back to "We're Man Utd, this isn't a transition period, we should be winning everything so that is the expectation and sack who ever doesn't live up to it." It is not how success comes about, it is the sort of stressing mentality you find in has-beens who never finds time to adjust their formulas.
This is all going to end in him having a rant at himself, running back and forth to change costume like Mrs Doubtfire.
Rarely agree with what G Nev says, but he's 100% right on this, the way some of our so-called fans prattle on you think we'd lost the first 3 matches of the season, and been outplayed in all of them.
Ole has my patience. And it is not even about the results, but improvement in our play. We have showed some positive signs at the start of this season. Some negative also in terms of breaking teams that seat deeper, but we'll see if he can solve it.
The thing that is problem imo is if Ole fails there is a big chance of a new manager coming in implementing the whole new transfer policy and game approuch. And the cycle starts over.... That is why this team seriously lacks depth and more quality.
The thing that is problem imo is if Ole fails there is a big chance of a new manager coming in implementing the whole new transfer policy and game approuch. And the cycle starts over.... That is why this team seriously lacks depth and more quality.
Not sure it is even that with some of us. We now have two injuries and it is showing up what a depleted squad he has been given to work with. We have not strengthen the midfield or replaced Lukaku up front. Ole keeps bringing up the kids, well use them then. If that is your philosophy, then sink or swim by it.
The first game the result was flattering, but still encouraging. The second game we should have won but for a penalty miss. The third game we should have won as well, but didn't because of two goals conceded due to bad defending and being screwed over by the dynamic duo of referee and VAR.
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And if we are astute in the transfer market, we can exploit the fact that 10s aren't a hot commodity. Now it's a big if because we could have done that this summer, with cast offs like Isco, Coutinho, James, Fékir, Ozil or Dybala. Some of these players aren't flavour of the month on the caf but they are all far better than our current options and some of them haven't been helped by being square pegs in round holes at their current clubs. Also before people start mentioning Sanchez as a cautionery tale, there is a risk with all transfers, we can't live afraid of everything.
Ole deserves patience because I can see us playing better. The day we start playing like a Mourinho team I don't care if we finish second, I will run out of patience.
Not all forms of patience are virtuous. Neville urged patience under Moyes, and then for Van Gaal and then again under Mourinho. Patience now is warranted, but under Moyes it was not.
The better way to think about where things are right is that it's still only August and conclusions reached now would be hasty. We'll clearly have a better focus on where we're going by the end of September. If the results come good over the next month, as we all want, then we stick with the manager through the end of the season. But if we drop more stupid points like we did Wolves and Palace, the limits of our patience will be reached.
We've got three upcoming league matches before Arsenal on September 30 were 9 points are reasonably expected.
The better way to think about where things are right is that it's still only August and conclusions reached now would be hasty. We'll clearly have a better focus on where we're going by the end of September. If the results come good over the next month, as we all want, then we stick with the manager through the end of the season. But if we drop more stupid points like we did Wolves and Palace, the limits of our patience will be reached.
We've got three upcoming league matches before Arsenal on September 30 were 9 points are reasonably expected.
Not sure why the OP didn't do this, but the full article is here if you are unable to access Twitter:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11794596/nevs-utd-verdict-patience-is-key
I think its a diffcult pill to swallow, given we've been in "transition" for six years.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11794596/nevs-utd-verdict-patience-is-key
I think its a diffcult pill to swallow, given we've been in "transition" for six years.
Still a ludicrous idea.
If this was 2013-14 his comments would make sense.. We're coming to 7 years, how long is he going to keep being a parrot and repeating the same things over and over again?
The thing is, Ole need not come with us the whole way. We should not be thinking if Ole is the right guy for the next 26 years. Irrespective of the Manager, the club needs to do things such as scouting, player acquisition, youth integration to the first team properly. We backed out from paying insane wages for players this summer and went after players that would really suit us like Maguire and AWB. I could see that the club has started taking steps in that direction since Ole's come in. Even if Ole is not around for long, as long as we remember to look for progressive managers and buy players that suit our needs , we are indeed going in the right direction. This is where we show some patience.
Because recruiting big-name foreign 'talent' has worked out so well for us over the last 5 years or so, right?
What's your problem with recruiting British tried and tested PL specialists? It worked for the better part of 3 decades before Woody came along and changed it up, deciding to adopt the Real Madrid galactico policy which failed miserably.
Except he said same thing when Jose was manager too and that was after 2 years of Jose.
Ignore him. There are a decent amount of people who fail to see things beyond black and white and see the club as trying to get a british core back that understand the history and culture of United as racist or xenophobic.
We haven’t. We don’t have a club structure and every manager brings their own processes and philosophies so the transition cycle starts again every time we change manager. We’ve been in transition for 9 months, since Ole took charge.
I'm excited about the potential look of our current team with a few additions. The 4-2-3-1 is well-defined, and if we could add more creativity, more zip to our passing and quality players to specific positions like DM, AM and RW, we could be unto something good. We could then focus on upgrading on players that aren't good enough. We could do with being a lot more savvy in the transfer market though, and much of it also depends on if Solskjaer is good enough to do the coaching. Regardless, I'm willing to wait for as long as necessary provided there's clear progress.
He says the same shit every time, with every manager. He in reality has no clue what is needed to turn things round at the club because he IS NOT a manager and failed miserably when he tried. He's nothing more than a mouthpiece for sky now. I don't take his views as 100% his own either. The less he's listened to the better for me.
So in that case sign United fans. Just because someone is British doesn't mean they understand United. There are plenty of foreign United fans. A lot of them are on here.
I wouldn't call Sean Longstaff a tried and tested PL specialist. Eriksen would be.
I am willing to give Ole until the end of the season. If we end the season strong we should persist.
All of these. Gaz the legend as player, shite manager and useless pundit after retirement.
I'm all for a transition period. But a manager making bad decisions is what has bothered people along with a poor summer transfer window. We're frustrated by the same old shit, not the new shit taking time.
Pogba will NEVER and i mean NEVER win player of the year. For the amount paid and the wages he's on he has never been consistent enough for united. He shows up in patches and hardly does anything noteworthy through out the season. And don't give the he played under Jose and the squad is crap argument. Hazard dragged a worst chelsea squad to top 4 and europa league and won the league under jose.
Loads on here saying "we've been in transition for years, so we're not in transition anymore" are naive. There's no set amount of time for a transition. We've hit the reset button several times since SAF left, each time starting a new transition. I get that it's frustrating, as the club has only gone downhill and we're not where we want to be right now, but just because we've become frustrated doesn't mean there suddenly is some magic solution that will bring us instant success. Definitely not in the form of another new manager. We've tried that several times, and it didn't work. Before Ole was appointed as permanent manager the two caf-favourites were Poch and Zidane. Where are they now? Poch is on a worse run than Ole is, at a more stable club, with a superior squad that he's had years to shape to his liking. Zidane is having Real Madrid play dire football after investing 250m and Mourinho of all people is already lurking in the shadows. There's absolutely no guarantee they would be doing any better than Ole. They're certainly not doing any better at their current clubs. So yeah, we should be patient. Neville may have said it before but was he wrong? We've replaced manager after manager but did we improve? No. At least this time around we're seeing some structural changes, even though we don't have a DoF yet. At least this time around we're playing a brand of football that we like, even though the results are yet to come. At least this time we have a manager that opts to stay positive and create a good atmosphere around the club, instead of one that prefers bigging himself up and throwing everyone else under the bus.
We've been patient for 6 fecking years.
We've shown more patience than any elite club fanbase would.
Neville was calling for Woodward to step down before Ole was appointed...
Now it seems that he's on the Glazer's payroll and is singing from their sheet.
I have no time for the guy, at all.
We've shown more patience than any elite club fanbase would.
Neville was calling for Woodward to step down before Ole was appointed...
Now it seems that he's on the Glazer's payroll and is singing from their sheet.
I have no time for the guy, at all.
Ironically we were only outplayed for a small portion of the game we actually won - first period against Chelsea to be specific. Wolves were impressive - a much underrated team if you ask me - but despite them being close to their best we still dominated play and they looked genuinely relieved when the final whistle blew plus anxious up until that point. And I still can't believe we didn't beat Palace - I really felt for everyone involved both on and off the pitch because we were robbed in that match. A poopstorm of bad luck and poor refereeing - combined with maximum punishment for every little mistake made by our side. There too the Palace players did everything to sabotage, disrupt and stall time - and unfortunately got away with it.
We've been so close to a perfect record - looking way better than anything I saw during our previous campaign - and if we keep playing like this and improve on this foundation it will show as the season progresses. I just hope the players and staff knows this and their confidence don't drop due to fortune having a laugh or five at their expense.
That's not necessarily a glowing reference.
I don't know about all that. A healthy portion of our fanbase are foreign and contribute as much as anyone to the clubs growth, especially in the merchandising department.
It does look like the club has seen the error of its ways though. The galactico policy adopted by Woodward was a catastrophic failure and the underlying reason for our problems right now. How he still has a job is beyond me.
Have we been in transition though? Until recently a lot of the side were leftovers from SAF and most of the so-called transition players have gone. That seems a bit the wrong way round to me. Most players bought after SAF have been ditched by the following manager. That is probably the biggest conumdrum. Is it bad choice of managers? Should be have kept one of these managers longer or just awful player recruitment? Are we now trusting the same people who made these decisions to back Ole?
Probably not in some cases.
First of all lets burst some bubbles shall we? Since Sir Alex retired, we signed a mix of fairly unknown talent (Herrera, Fred etc) or players who were one step away from their career's grave or were at already in decline (Falcao, Sanchez, Bastian etc). That's like signing current Rooney and then bash all big name local talent when he fails to deliver. The only big name foreign signings we made who were on top of their game when we signed them up were ADM (our main assist man) and Pogba (our main assist man and top scorer). Meanwhile this idea of having British core as the bedrock of success has been failing since the class of 92 started showing signs of wear and tear. Sir Alex 'EPL' proven signings left us with possibly the weakest team Sir Alex has ever managed while we all know how our team is performing despite this British core of ours. The reality is that we won our last EPL title thanks to a foreigner's goals (RVP) and our best players in the past 6 years or so were foreign (DDG and Pogba). They are also the only ones we've got whom big clubs would tempt throwing serious money at. I can't see Real throwing money at Jones, Smalling, Jesse, Rashy, Young and co.
Now I have no issues with us having a balanced transfer strategy (foreign and local) IF we had the transfer budget to sustain it. As said I believe clubs should look at talent irrespective of nationality. However considering how ridiculously expensive local talent tend to be and what happened in the past 2 summer transfer windows its pretty evident that we don't have big budgets to operate upon. Now, since we have to work on limited budgets we really can't afford buying players at 50m-90m a pop simply because they are British. Else we risk going into a situation were we sort a department (lets say defence) only to leave midfield and the forward line in a ridiculous situation.
I agree about not signing galacticos. We never get them at their peak. It is always the one last payday galactico. However there is no reason not to buy the best young foreign players, which we definitely haven't been doing recently. We have been taking punts on the likes of Bailly, Fred etc. with not much success. Instead of serious scouting, up to now we have been letting too many agents whisper in our ear and watching Youtube.
Sorry mate, not sure why you quoted Sean Longstaff to be honest.
Eriksen though. I'd give a large portion of blood to see us sign him in in January
I think he is spot on here, there is a clear shift here and Ole will need time to change this around.
Yeah right. And what about Lingard? Has he watched him in the last 2 years? Oh wait, he's English.
Probably because Longstaff seemed to be on Ole's radar. To be honest I would rather use one of our own kids as there really wouldn't be that much difference in experience. I agree about Eriksen.Sorry mate, not sure why you quoted Sean Longstaff to be honest.
Eriksen though. I'd give a large portion of blood to see us sign him in in January