I'm not denying that. I'm pointing out that the stick he's getting is in unnecessary and pathetic. Young is a quality player; one poor international tournament doesn't change that.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yeah it does, it changes everything. Literally everything.
Why would they boo him? It's not like he did something stupid and got himself sent-off when England were in a winning position, leading them to eventually give away the opportunity to go through. He missed a penalty. Did they boo Waddle and Pearce, or Southgate, or Batty and Ince, or Beckham and Vassell, or Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher? Why should they now boo Young, especially if they don't boo Cole as well? They missed penalties, it happens.
If either of them get booed at the start of the season they should tell England to shove it up their cock.
He was awful for England really.
cider the majority of people on here aren't saying he's not a good player, only the usual idiots who say that any time a player underperforms.
Yep. Idiots.
This thread reminds me of the Nani thread.
A poor tournament isn't new to English or United players. The fact is that young was the best player in most of the qualifiers for England in the past few months. That said, I continue to think that Nani and Valencia are superior wingers, that's not saying he's a bad player.
A poor tournament isn't new to English or United players. The fact is that young was the best player in most of the qualifiers for England in the past few months. That said, I continue to think that Nani and Valencia are superior wingers, that's not saying he's a bad player.
His talent cannot be questioned. It was just unfortunate that nobody explained the rules of penalty shoot-outs to him before he stepped up.
He had a shocking tournament but the tactics didn't suit him at all. He had such disciplined and defensive instructions and then on the odd occasion he did get the ball there was often just 1 or sometimes even no players available to pass too.
Probably because it was utterly pointless bringing a player so bad he couldn't even challenge an under performing player.
Had my City mate rambling on how he is shit and how he doesn't know how he gets in United's team and how Milner could have been the man for England if Hodgson knew how to use him correctly. The hipocrasy of some of these loons astounds me!
There seemed to be no linking up with Cole at all down the left, he didnt get anywhere near the amount of support he gets from Evra who continually overlaps which stops Young from being double marked and making it easier for him to come inside and get his crosses/shots away.
Hard to blame Cole for this, he was our best player again last night until the penalty.
I know starfish is getting the plaudits but I think Cole was the one world class player we had.
Gerrard could not even out pass him in midfield.
I like Young but this was not his tournament.
He defended well but he seemed very reluctant to cross the half way line. One of the times he did get forward overlapping Young was when England had 1 of their only opportunities in the 2nd half, think it was Rooneys overhead.
Don't get me wrong, Young stank the place out, but everytime he got the ball he had 2-3 men around him and i think he'd have benefitted a lot more from Cole getting forward more taking 1 of his markers away from him.
I am a big fan of Young but his signing was all about our value policy. He was a good deal but doesn't help us close the gap in the CL at all.
He had a terrible Euros but yes still a decent player.
He had a terrible Euros but yes still a decent player.
How is Young part of the value policy? We completely overpaid.
Value policy. You mean, buying players that a club thinks are value for money, as opposed to buying players that a club doesn't think are value for money? Who'd have thought.Why are people surprised he had a poor tournament? He was the best in the qualifiers, but that's against the likes of Montenegro & Wales not France, Sweden, Ukraine & Italy. He's a limited player, useful for giving Nani & Valencia a rest or when coming in when they are injured. Nothing more.
Ghetto smurf.
Ghetto smurf.
He's the best English winger by miles and in the top 5 playing in England. He's not the only top player to have a poor Euros and it probably won't change his club performances next season.
Absurd logic considering you could just as well apply it to Rooney too. We should also sign Peter Crouch 'cos he scored a great goal against Ukraine three years ago.
He was also decent in the pre-tournament friendlies, against Switzerland and Norway. Did he also play in the win against Spain?
Well that's a pretty ridiculous assessment given his season with United. I can't see any evidence at all of him being poor in the bigger games, especially given that superb performances vs both Arsenal and Spurs spring to mind.
How is buying ashley young for close to £20m a value signing? I made a thread near the start of the season where I stated that we could have bought so much better for the money that we paid for him and I stand by my opinion.
He had a fantastic debut season though, how can you possibly stick by that opinion? I'm shocked that people are letting his international form cloud their judgement on the wisdom of signing him given how brilliant he was this season.
It's absolutely ridiculous to use his Euros performance to judge how good a signing he's been.
Was it though? Personally I felt his season was average, great at the start then tailed off and in the end made a decent contribution with a couple of goals. I am not blaming him for the euros performance as hodgson tactics was extremely negative and no player had a chance to display their attacking qualities. Infact our team that played 8 defenders against arsenal was more attacking then this england bunch.
Like I said he is a decent winger but for the money/wages we paid/are paying I feel we could have gotten a much better player. One who will play the LW more effectively as well.
Fantastic and brilliant? Really? I'm sorry I just don't associate Young with those 2 words. I think he's had a decent/good season and he's already as good as he'll be.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's a United player and will be very useful for us for years and years to come but I don't think he's good enough to properly hold down that left wing spot at United.
He's a bit unlucky that he's competing against 2 of the best wingers in Europe for a starting spot is all. He'll never be as good as Nani or Valencia, they're both on a completely different level. Everyone knew (or should have known) that when we signed him.
and yet he cost just as much if not more than both of them. Is on higher wages as well I think.
We overspent on someone who is a very good back up which is what we need considering neither Nani or Valencia are always fit and both can go of the boil from time to time. Competition is good which Young provides. If Nani and Valencia are both firing (has this ever happened for more than 1 game on the trot?) he misses out.
Didn't rate him at Villa but he's here now.
Didn't rate him at Villa but he's here now.
I've warmed to him. He consistantly offers good delivery, a goal threat, and works hard.
A classy Park-upgrade, really. With a bit of skill to boot.
A classy Park-upgrade, really. With a bit of skill to boot.
To be fair, Rooney was pretty average as well in the Euros - despite being a much better player.
Young's performances in the Euros wasn't a surprise to me - he's not exactly world class so I wasn't expecting him to be that good and the penalty miss gave every one the scapegoat the English fans & media need to blame for their usual shitty performances in major tourneys.
Sadly not, when one is fit and on form the other is either injured or lacking fitness. If both were simultaneously on form it'd be ridiculous.
The Fulham game last season, with Nani as a right winger and Valencia as the right back, was fecking magic.
What a game that was. Those two completely destroyed Fulham.
Can't really agree with your appraisal of his season.
To me he just about scraped through as doing alright. A couple of big performances but mostly underwhelming ones. He should be given the benefit of any doubt as he had a few injuries.
Yeah I remember that.
We might see more of it with Shinji here against the lesser teams too.
I agree, and I'm not saying Ashleys poor euros makes him a bad player. He had some great performances this year for us. Some poor ones too but who doesn't?
That man makes no sense to me.
I like how KingMinger decides to denigrate the Young signing as a "value signing" when if I remember rightly last year he was one of the big supporters for signing him. Ridiculous.
The whole point of having three top wingers is that they can be rotated as a result of form and tactics - something which really helped us this season IMO. I probably agree that he would be on the bench if both Valencia and Nani were fit and firing, but when you have Ashley Young on the bench, who offers a consistent stream of assists and a decent goal tally, you know you have a great squad. I stick by the opinion that he had a brilliant season, I agree he's as good as he'll get but I'd also say he has a lot left in his locker and could stay at this level for a few more years still.