He can't last 90 minutes. That's why he isn't playing. Anyone who is still not facing that has their head stuck in the ground deeper than an ostritch and engaging in bum chat frankly.
All players need minutes. But Fergie didn't bring Giggs to give him minutes, he brought him on for his experience.
So you think you only increase stamina by playing? I am not so sure about that. Stamina is the issue here. Given he can't be trusted to last 90 minutes, you can't risk him in the big matches.
I think stamina is different to match fitness which is drastically effected by game time. Stamina is more about how long you can last and Anderson for the long period he has been here has never been able to last 90 minutes.
I Insist. Anyone still buying that bullshit is engaged in arse talking. Stamina doesn't improve sans game time. We dont need him to last 90 minutes to use him. There is a reason why teams have 3 subs as options during a 90 minute game.
Playing him for 60 minutes sure beats us having 2 old guys on pitch and having us get walked through like a wide open gate in midfield like happened vs Spurs. Or us making 9 men look competitive for 15 mins.
If he was getting game time he wouldn't have a being knackered problem. How people expect a player who has spent alot of his time here injured to get stamina, now that his fit, sans game time is beyond me.
I agree 100%
I disagree, you may talking bum chat but his weight is still an issue. By saying he has played 150 games for the club and still needs game time to work on his stamina is a bit stupid. Injuries aren't the sole reason for this, he is overweight or was. over 5 years now and its still the same issue from day one.
Injuries are the chief reason he has stamina issues. He has not spent a single season fully fit at United. That has put serious breaks on the progress of his overall development. Weight has had zilch to do with it.
Rather you said you would only start him ahead of them if he could last more than an hour.
He has already shown he can last the 90 minutes this season. Yet his reward for that has been a prolonged spell on the bench and two old men getting more game minutes than him, even when its entirely unnecessary. It's plain ridiculous.
Crap. He wasn't playing as a wingback. It was fairly obvious that we were trying to utilize both wings as Chelsea's wide-men tuck inside and leave them vulnerable down the flanks. The plan was to exploit that weakness and attack down the wings. If anything the formation was a 4-1-4-1 with Carrick staying deep and the other two midfielders working hard to try and get ball down the side and build up attacks.
What? Who is talking about those players? The discussion was whether Young was brought in to start games or just "keep others on their toes". What are you trying to prove by mentioning all those players?
That is what I have been saying from the beginning and what you kept refuting leading to this multi-quote nonsense. Young is a left-sided player, who was brought in to start games on the left. Not so that Nani, or anyone else, can feel pressure and up his game.Young is more of a left sided player than Nani or Welbeck will ever be in wide man based formation. He built his career in the role after all .
Nani only keeps him out of the role because he is simply the better player when on top form. As for Welbeck, he is no competition to a fully fit and firing Young.
It's really you who don't understand what the original argument was but decided to butt in to try and prove a point. What ever it was.
I am denying that Young is a first team "squad" player? You are confused. I am saying if you want to categorize it, then everyone besides Rooney and RVP is a first team squad player.
And our other attackers don't?
I think his point wasn't that other players don't pop up with important goals.
I don't think he does to the extent that others do.
I don't think Chelsea away, the first time after coming back from injury, is really the time to show how confident in taking on players are. I thought he did well, and did what he was supposed to do as well.
He hasn't been confident for a while though, even the latter end of last season. He has been troubled by injuries though in 2012, to be fair to him.
He's quite good at turning to face the goal and slide an unexpected through ball into the attackers, actually.
That's massively underrating Young's creativity. His record in the Premier League has been top notch over the last 4 or 5 years, up there with Nani in terms of stats and played mostly with a Villa team lacking an alternative goal threat to Darren Bent.
Pack it in Cina, he didn't say anything resembling that. Just because he praises Young doesn't mean he's critisizing Nani.
I don't recall mentioning Nani?
I meant "Park at his best-"upgrade really. I rate Park, even though his last season was poor.
That's plain wrong. Carrick, Vidic, Rio and Evra seem to start whenever fit and in form over anyone else in their position. Rafael is getting there now and De Gea will soon. Young never will IMO. There IS a difference, and that's what he is saying.
I wouldn't say nani is that great a ball retention. Generally he is looking to pick the ball up and take it forward and create something. So quite often he ends up losing the ball eventually. Young I feel does offer a bit better ball retention if only for the fact that he doesn't try to beat his man quite as often and plays the ball back more than nani. We saw quite a few times young drifted in behind the midfield against Chelsea and picked up the ball held onto it until he could play it off fairly safely. If that was nani he would be looking for a more direct route towards goals
His ball retention alone is decent (which is not unusual given he is a fairly low risk player), but I'm thinking we need someone of a higher level on the ball to get round the issues I'm discussing. Ball retention, being comfortable on the ball and being constantly willing to ask for it to also. Young is no Heskey don't get me wrong - he isn't wasteful or inept - but I think in order to compensate for a 2 man midfield that isn't on its game we need something more than what he offers. A player who can consistently keep hold of the ball in tricky situations and actually welcome those opportunities. Nani is that sort of player when he's on form, no doubt. Kagawa last year for Dortmund was another such player (although I cannot say I've seen much of him on the left) - it looked at times like he thrived on expressing himself like that, and there were signs of it in pre-season and at the start of this one. I think anyone who has played football against a decent defender knows that they smell blood when they feel you aren't comfortable. Young is someone who never quite looks fully comfortable, in my opinion, and I think playing him against top teams when our midfield is struggling to take control - something that will perhaps happen with some frequency if we play just two midfielders (of whom neither are often absolutely top draw) - is a mistake. First and foremost, I think we should be lining up to take control of a game, but if we play Young in the midfield with Carrick, Cleverley and Valencia, it genuinely means that 3 or perhaps even 4 of them really need to be on form against top teams for us to come out on top throughout the whole game. This isn't to say it is necessary for us to be on top throughout the whole game, but it's what we should be aiming for.
Totally agree about the wingers needing to be good at ball retention, especially in a 4-4-2 and especially here at United where if we're not counter attacking we like to build pressure up. But I was going to post in another thread that its the one thing imo that stops Nani being in the same bracket of players as Mata and Silva for example, he gives it away very cheaply at times.
Fair enough. With Nani, I more mean the ability to receive the ball in tight areas where other players would lose it immediately, but I would also say his ball retention is exceptional when on form. Start of last year/year before that version of Nani just never seemed to lose it, miscontrol it etc. The one we've seen recently is a different article, mainly because he's not played enough to build up momentum I'm guessing.
