@MichaelRed isn’t allowed to celebrate in May when we lift the league trophy! 
Solskjær press conference vs West Ham (A)
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Europa league?@MichaelRed isn’t allowed to celebrate in May when we lift the league trophy!
I think I have an idea who that oh so sensitive little soul is btw but I won't disclose it cos the sad little manchild has already reported me once for calling him an idiot
Well I was also here when we weren't winning anything under Fergie too. They were days when the media were calling Fergie past it ("shredding his legacy at every turn", etc), Ronaldo being called a show pony, the doom mongers in 2005 calling us the Salford Devils and that we'd be asset stripped etc etc.
The same stupid agendas we see from the media against Ole and the team he's now building were pretty much there against Fergie and the team he was building. The difference was, the caf was still a welcoming place and was almost a part of the siege mentality that SAF built around the club at the time. Now, it's just a place full of petulant children who can't hack it that the football club they claim to support can't provide the vicarious success to make up for the inadequacies of their sad little lives.
Oops sorry, I said the quiet part out loud. Never mind
You know what, I know you jest at Oles expense but I’d take it. It would mean that Ole had a trophy to his name, had equalled the great Mourinho and the last remaining relevant criticism of Ole had been answered.
You think if we won the Europa League Ole would have answered his critics? It would require him dropping out of the CL group stage again, despite the easiest group available, deserving of an immediate sacking tbh.
What a pathetic response. For someone around at those times you sure do come across as a child. Anyone who doesn't believe Ole is the right man for the job is just a petulant child with an inadequate, sad little life. You're disgusting.Well I was also here when we weren't winning anything under Fergie too. They were days when the media were calling Fergie past it ("shredding his legacy at every turn", etc), Ronaldo being called a show pony, the doom mongers in 2005 calling us the Salford Devils and that we'd be asset stripped etc etc.
The same stupid agendas we see from the media against Ole and the team he's now building were pretty much there against Fergie and the team he was building. The difference was, the caf was still a welcoming place and was almost a part of the siege mentality that SAF built around the club at the time. Now, it's just a place full of petulant children who can't hack it that the football club they claim to support can't provide the vicarious success to make up for the inadequacies of their sad little lives.
Oops sorry, I said the quiet part out loud. Never mind
Time to step away from the internet friend, you’re taking this way too seriously and way to personally.
Here's a slight difference - Fergie was a proven winner who won numerous titles before that, God knows how many cups and a treble. What has Ole done? Got Cardiff relegated?Well I was also here when we weren't winning anything under Fergie too. They were days when the media were calling Fergie past it ("shredding his legacy at every turn", etc), Ronaldo being called a show pony, the doom mongers in 2005 calling us the Salford Devils and that we'd be asset stripped etc etc.
The same stupid agendas we see from the media against Ole and the team he's now building were pretty much there against Fergie and the team he was building. The difference was, the caf was still a welcoming place and was almost a part of the siege mentality that SAF built around the club at the time. Now, it's just a place full of petulant children who can't hack it that the football club they claim to support can't provide the vicarious success to make up for the inadequacies of their sad little lives.
Oops sorry, I said the quiet part out loud. Never mind
This just shows how little you actually know about anything. DVB and Sancho had the least of the ball of all our players, except Ronaldo. I suggest you actually look at the data...
Already have. They gave the ball away the least % out of everyone.
So we will not have patience for any manager who has not won trebles? Good luck with keeping any manager in the job if we are not going give him time.
Are the mods now pandering to all impatient and spoiled idiots on here? I guess that's what makes the ads clicks...
But I really feel that soon the redcafe will just be filled with panicking crybabies and it will lose most of its quality content creating users. I have reduced my reading, nowadays I no longer look at new threads, and I see that the few good posts are being attacked by WUMs and people who base their fandom on tweets.
Unfortunately, there's no going back. I know that this is just how the business works. You need the scandalous, clickbait, dramatic stuff. But I don't.
How long is patience? 6 years of not winning anything maybe? Let's ask Ronaldo if he's cool with hanging around winning nothing for his 3 year contract yeah?
Yeah, a player who got the ball once and didn't lose it is better than one who got the ball 20 times and lost it twice... I got you.
It'll be a better place when holier than thou posters like yourself, who think anybody who doesn't share your opinion is a crybaby, are gone.
K. VdB completed 23 of 25 passes and won the ball back 4 times but make up fake stats to fit your rhetoric.
Thank you for speaking what's on your mind (and mine).Well I was also here when we weren't winning anything under Fergie too. They were days when the media were calling Fergie past it ("shredding his legacy at every turn", etc), Ronaldo being called a show pony, the doom mongers in 2005 calling us the Salford Devils and that we'd be asset stripped etc etc.
The same stupid agendas we see from the media against Ole and the team he's now building were pretty much there against Fergie and the team he was building. The difference was, the caf was still a welcoming place and was almost a part of the siege mentality that SAF built around the club at the time. Now, it's just a place full of petulant children who can't hack it that the football club they claim to support can't provide the vicarious success to make up for the inadequacies of their sad little lives.
Oops sorry, I said the quiet part out loud. Never mind
One of the retorts I have seen is "do you really think Ole, players, etc. get affected by what's said on the Caf?" Well, I think it's certainly possible the narrative on the Caf is influenced by or itself influences the narrative on social media in some capacity, and it doesn't take too long in this day and age for a narrative to get from social media to mainstream, which is what ultimately creates a sense of doom and pressure around a team.
There's a difference between critcizing a manager and throwing personal insults any time the team loses.
How about more than 1 champions league game?
Oh right, my bad. Forgot Ole was hired on Monday.
You'd think he was, the way you've been posting about him since
You'd have to be pretty thick to think I've accumlated these opinions over one game and not over his 3 years in charge but okay. You do you.
He’s won countless trophies after rebuilding his Molde side. They hadn’t won a thing in decades before him. Cardiff was an anomaly. He actually started his career here coaching the first team for Sir Alex after he was forced to retire and was guided by Sir Alex himself. He led United reserves to the league title in 2010 with players like Pogba, Macheda, Rafael, Mame Diouf, Ben Foster and Corry Evans. He has experience and knowledge, just not at the very top of the game but everybody has to start somewhere and you don’t win at any level without knowing what you are doing.
Last season everybody said Frank Lampard was the better coach after his short stint at Derby. Look how that turned out as Ole was finishing 2nd and getting to a final.
You lost me at “to say Ole isn’t tactical is bollox” comment. What planet are you on? The world and it’s dog can see we are clueless against deep sitting teams -clueless. It’s awful to watch when we know we have such a high quality attacking squad and is thrown into stark contrast by the football played by other teams at the elite level in football. Every team down to Sunday league has some form of tactics. As the quality of the league improves so does the coaching, the fitness, the professionalism and the tactical approach. So yes, Ole has tactics - Are you seriously suggesting fans on here on think that is not the case? It’s the managers apparent dismissive attitude toward how important tactics are that is concerning some fans and rightly so. Try reading the comments and understanding the issue before being dismissive.
The discussion is about the lack of emphasis our manager places on our tactical approach to games when we are clearly over reliant on individual talent as opposed to breaking teams down through well drilled patterns of play - which other top teams do consistently.
Ole said - “ Football is a simple game..” not at the top level...not anymore...if it were, why did we spend millions revamping our analytics department? Why are teams hiring specialist fuking throw in coaches??? Why did we hire a set piece coach??? Because the game is not simple as we found out with our shambolic defending of corners and crosses last year and our inability to convert at the other end. Ole realised that our “tactics” on set pieces were not good enough...so he tried to fix it! But his comments suggest he doesn’t see much else wrong and that worries some fans who think, in layman’s terms, we play pretty shit football for the most part!
He goes on to say “you can talk about all sorts, it looks nice on paper, but when you get out on that pitch, [it’s about] who wants to win, that’s one of the big things.”
I reckon every single player in both squads of the 2009 and 2011 CL finals “wanted” to win those games with every fibre of their being...but one team was tactically superior. Do you think that Barca’s passing that ripped us apart in those two CL finals was done off the cuff? Do you think that Bayern Munich just showed desire and determination to smash Diego Simeone‘s Spanish Champions Athletico side 4-0? Do you think Liverpool just wanted to come back from 3-0 down against Barcelona? Or Chelsea didn’t know to the smallest detail, tactically how they needed to be perfect to win that final???
At the top level everyone has desire, in moments or as a collective...that’s why they are in the mix...but the elite have both mentality and ability to execute the plans of often brilliant footballing minds. If you don’t believe that then that’s just sad. If we all supported Hull City, our want for something more would be preposterous...but as Man Utd fans, we have to believe we can play better football than we have done to date. The squad is no longer an excuse and for me, more experienced coaches need to be brought in.
Now why does that make me a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime?
Never have i seen a press conference thread stretched to 15 pages and counting in my time on the Caf
The Southampton game was very poor, Newcastle game was ropey at times and Greenwood bailed him out against Wolves. The Leeds game was the only great performance.
He is going to be feeling some sort of pressure. We have an elite squad and need to start performing. We're three years into his tenure and we still don't have a style of play. I love Ole but he needs to win something this season or he's gone.
It's not about overreacting to a result. Any team can lose a game of football. It's the same mistakes we're seeing year after year. No plan b, horrible in game tactics and bizarre substitutions. It's incredibly frustrating and if he wasn't a United legend everyone would be questioning it.
Amen
Why are any of you surprised?
Solskjaer has always said stuff like that, emphasizing running, physicality, spirit, work rate over tactics or quality. It's what he is about, like it or not.
Here are quotes from his interview on MNF with Neville, way back:
Solskjaer has always said stuff like that, emphasizing running, physicality, spirit, work rate over tactics or quality. It's what he is about, like it or not.
Here are quotes from his interview on MNF with Neville, way back:
So there you have it. That's how Solskjaer thinks.
Wait until the embargoed quotes come tomorrow eveningNever have i seen a press conference thread stretched to 15 pages and counting in my time on the Caf
Has it been 6 years of ole at the wheel already? Boy that was one long night i had as the last i checked we were into the beginning of ole’s third full season. So now you also have the crystal ball which tells you the future. PM me the winning lottery number for next week too.
That's not a comment on tactics but attitude. I doubt there's a coach out there who would disagree
quite the contrary: I was praising you for learning, however humiliating it might be for you to do so.Are you holding a grudge because I challenged your view that Ole should freeze out Lingard for refusing a transfer?
I believe it's 2 with the option of a third.
You think someone like, say, Pep would agree that tactics matter less than running and physicality?
Except he says more than tactics at the end
Where's that meme of Michael Jackson eating popcorn?
Came here to see what was posted about the presser and it's turned into another Ole out feck fest
Came here to see what was posted about the presser and it's turned into another Ole out feck fest
If you think Ferguson "relied" on anyone for tactics then you are a fool.
Learn to read. I'm asking if 6 years is enough patience since you think 3 years isn't.
I wouldn't place any stock in what Pep says. The guy does his best work on the pitch and like the City supporters club chief said, he should stick to coaching.
Anyway taken in isolation it looks like Ole said that running matters more than tactics but of course to his detractors on here they'll take whatever they want to suit their agenda. What he said was, what made him most proud. From coming from SAF's days where the players gave their all, I can get that. I don't see anywhere he states that it's more important than tactics
How much more patience do you personally have in your locker? I'm talking about support. You seem rather disenchanted with the team,club,management