Spanish General Election 2019: Another one.....10th November
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Vox will probably get power directly or concessions from pp, based on polling.
Wow, 10% for fascists. Scary stuff.
Will be interesting to see who a coalition is formed with.
Wonder what the influence the Catalonia issue has played on that result. 10% voting for fascism seems pretty standard in Europe at the moment.
At least Spain seems to have bucked the trend.
PP was decimated, losing half of their seats. Podemos will probably also feel very disappointed (at least in terms of its own result). They started with so much hope and don't look to be capable of getting back the momentum they had back in 2014. Vox was predictable enough, especially after the Andalusia elections last year.
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The "right" have too many parties.
If the vote had been concentrated in one party they would have obtained an absolute majority, but by the current electoral system the PSOE was favored.
Sánchez campaigned intelligently.
Now he has 2 options. Go alone or form government with Podemos.
If the vote had been concentrated in one party they would have obtained an absolute majority, but by the current electoral system the PSOE was favored.
Sánchez campaigned intelligently.
Now he has 2 options. Go alone or form government with Podemos.
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The "official" left has 43% in total and the official right has 42.9%
Votes left: 11.2 millions
Votes right: 11.1 millions
So absolutely not true
Another debate would be if you consider PSOE left or right
I mean that they wouldn't have need so many votes to get a seat(escaño).Something like "Navarra Suma", a electoral coalition.
https://www.abc.es/elecciones/elecc...ubiera-estado-unida-201904291102_noticia.html
So that means that the electoral system would benefit the right and not the left (and not the other way around) as it would be unfair having less votes that they would get absolute majority. While in this case seems fair, Just 100.000 votes more supposes 0.1% more and just a bit more seats
That's what happened in Cataluña. The group C's+PP,etc have more votes than the independentist but less seats
You are mixing things up. You said that the electoral system helped Sanchez when is not true, it shows quite a fair result. What it would not be fair is what the right would obtained if they presented together, because having absolute majority with 42.9% of the votes would be crazy unfair
And going back to Catalunya, again is not true
C's+PP + PSC had 1.8 million votes and ERC+PdCAT+ CUP had +2 million votes
That's why I said that there are too many right parties to share the seats in low population provinces.It was proved that without C's or Vox they would have got many of those seats that went to PSOE.( In the same way the law "helped" PP in the past).
That's what the right was talking about all the campaign with the "useful vote".
You forget Podemos in Cataluña.
No, you said that Sanchez benefited of the electoral system, and he got a fair result (this is not benfiting). Sounded like you said that Sanchez results were unfair when they are closer to 1 man 1 vote than if the right would presented together
And I will not start about podemos if they are independentist or not, thats another debate. And bringing Catlaunya at Sanchez results has nothing to do with anything
No,They were not unfair,the law is the law,but as I said with 2 right groups instead 3 he wouldn't have got so many seats.
I am repeating the same thing again.He benefited of the law as It would have happened with PP in other circumstances.
It can be a fair result and be benefited for the law,it's not an incongruence.
Anyway,this was repeated for months in the press.There are dozens of articles talking about the Law d'Hondt
Then he didn't benefited about the law, he benefited of the right split. AS I said, there is so many narrative that Sanchez is the unfair president of Spain. Was that narrative before the election because he wasn't elected and now there is the narrative of this. He didn't benefit of the law. If the right decided to go like this is their decision. If they went all 3 as radical is their decision. Period
you're getting tangled up with a semantic issue.
I haven't said at any time that it was unfair. I think even the chief of staff and some socialists used the word "benefit."
Sure he didn't say benefit of the electoral system but the right being split. anyway I leave it here
Spains Interior Ministry says early results show Socialists winning Spain's national election,but without a clear end to the country's political deadlock.
The fascists went from 28 to 52. Scary stuff in Spain. A Portuguese columnist wrote today a text with the title "Spain: fascism or disintegration." Certainly seems to be happening. The more vocal and active the separatists are, the more the general population outside separatist areas seem to vote for fascists. The more fascists get elected, the stronger get the separatist movements.
Civil war inevitable.
I've only read a few articles on this, but I think the leader of PSOE bears a lot of responsibility for this. Last time, with PSOE+Podemos, they were very close to a majority and they could probably win any confidence vote. But he refused because of a personal disagreement with the Podemos leader. At the same time the Catalan crisis happened, which strengthened the support for the far-right. And now, in fresh election, with both PSOE and Podemos reduced, he is ok with a deal (but now not close to a majority).
Wtf is going on with the world. This really is a simulation isn't it? Someone tell the player to stop messing about with cheats.
I'm not sure if it was a personal disagreement, from what I've read Podemos wanted some ministries and PSOE only wanted parliamentary support (like we had here in Portugal for the last 4 years, Iglesias even said something like "in Portugal the far-left didn't want to be in government, but we do") while promising to include some of Podemos ideas in the legislature.
If he accepted he might've lost the next election because the PSOE "moderate" voters would probably switch to PP. Though situation for Sanchez but almost anything would've been better then allowing dozens of fascists into parliament without trying something else first.
Here in Portugal there was a lot of fuss when the socialists agreed support from the communists in parliament. The right and some media made it look like we were back in 1917. With time people realized modern far-left parties in the Iberian Peninsula aren't proposing anything extreme at all and this union ended the legislature with overwhelming popular support. I believe the same could've happened in Spain, so in that sense Sanchez is to blame.
Thanks, I didn't know these details. I know there was a PSOE+Podemos minority govt for about a year before 2019 - at that time did Podemos have ministries or was it outside support only?
Podemos was never part of a government. PSOE included some independents in the government but nobody from Podemos.
Apparently Spain exists and Portugal is part of it, according to VOX.
