Looking at what lies ahead for Jose and the current players he has to work with. Comparing it with when he took over at Utd in 2016. What's the difference? Looking at player material I reckon Spurs have a thinner squad but more quality. Somehow I think the chances of him suceeding at Spurs are better than at utd. Views on this?
Squads: Utd 2016 v current Spurs. From Mourinho point of view which is the biggest challenge?
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Spurs is harder, their football 'eritage isn't as good as ours.
Spurs have a world class striker and a lot of quality at the back.
Spurs have more experienced players, much better facilities, less pressure and the luxury of a non-rotten structure populated by imbeciles.
I guess he'll have Campos join him there soon enough.
I guess he'll have Campos join him there soon enough.
Kane hasnt been world class since before the world cup tbh. Both in output but also definitely his performances. That ankle problem he had then was rushed back from never seemed to heal properly, or at least hes looked significantly different in his underlying stats. Still a good player mind you, but a couple of levels below what he was at his best.
The Spurs squad is probably better, but, if Vertonghen, Alderweirld and Eriksen leave summer 2020, that’s 3 key players to replace. Suddenly it looks even more complicated. Then there is the likes of Rose. Will Levy allow him to spend enough money to properly replace them?
Spurs are in a much better place on the face of it.
But if they lose Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Eriksen they need a big budget to replace them.
But if they lose Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Eriksen they need a big budget to replace them.
They are easy to replace imo, Ruben Dias + Dani Olmo.
Kane won the Golden Boot at the World Cup. And since the start of this season he's scored 20 goals in 21 games for club and country, plus numerous assists.
If that's not world class then nothing is.
I would say Spurs, for two reasons.
First being people don't realise just how big a rebuild is due at Spurs, a lot of ageing players who are well past their peak.
Secondly, when Jose took over at United there was no outstanding team in the league, now we have arguably the best two in PL history here.
First being people don't realise just how big a rebuild is due at Spurs, a lot of ageing players who are well past their peak.
Secondly, when Jose took over at United there was no outstanding team in the league, now we have arguably the best two in PL history here.
There's less resources available for him to make an absolute mess of at Spurs as he did here, so that'll probably work in his favour in some perverse way.
Scoring against Bulgaria/Kosovo/Czech Republic/Montenegro/Tunisia/Panama aren't markers that define someone as world class. Yeah he can score goals against a lot of cannon fodder playing for England, it's his performances (or lack of) in bigger games for the national team (very small sample size) or in general playing for Spurs since end of the 17/18 or start of 18/19 season. It really should not be a controversial thing to say that Kane before and after that summer has been a different player, nowhere close to what he was at his best. His goal totals show it, his xG and xG per game show it, his shots per game shows it, and just watching him is obvious that he's not the same. Harry Kane of half of 2018 and all of 2019 is not a world class player, not even close.
That Spurs squad is far better than the squad LVG left it's not even a contest. The pressure will be less on Mourinho too. I reckon he will do pretty well there. This season is kinda off, best will be 5th or 6th with a good run in a domestic cup. Next season though I can see them back on the track around top 3 easily.
You can only score against the teams in front of you - and Kane does and has. The last decent team that England played was Croatia - and guess what? Kane scored.
In 2019 Kane has scored 12 goals for England. The calendar year before that it was 8, and 7 goals the calendar year before that.
Last season Kane scored 24 goals for Spurs, including 5 in the CL. This season he has already scored 10, including 4 in the CL.
But according to you, the World Cup Golden boot winner is no longer world class
Spurs have a much better team. Mourinho has great foundations to work with, as there's a big difference between the work Pochettino and LVG did. That doesn't excuse not doing the business at United of course. But he has it easier now.
He has the advantage of having a more cohesive unit in that team but there's still a lot of work for him to do. So with what he has available I think that whatever he does he should focus on maximizing Harry Kane's output.
There’s a lot of prickly players who are unhappy at Spurs, so it should definitely be less of a challenge turning the dressing room against him this time.
Klose was regularly one of the top international scorers. Never close to being a world class player.You can only score against the teams in front of you - and Kane does and has. The last decent team that England played was Croatia - and guess what? Kane scored.
In 2019 Kane has scored 12 goals for England. The calendar year before that it was 8, and 7 goals the calendar year before that.
Last season Kane scored 24 goals for Spurs, including 5 in the CL. This season he has already scored 10, including 4 in the CL.
But according to you, the World Cup Golden boot winner is no longer world class
And yeah Kane scored 24 in all comps last season. I dont think Kane was world class last season either. He scored 41 in 17/18. Dropped to 24. That's a huge drop off. This season his productivity/xG/shots per game are all a lot closer to 18/19 than 17/18. It's not the same player he was between probably 2015/16 and 2017/18.
Really interesting question.
Spurs probably have a slightly better side, but we gave him an awful lot of money to spend that Levy won't - plus Toby, Jan and Eriksen's contracts are still up in the air. Really looking forward to seeing how he does, it'll be fascinating. Wonder who'll be the scapegoats
Spurs probably have a slightly better side, but we gave him an awful lot of money to spend that Levy won't - plus Toby, Jan and Eriksen's contracts are still up in the air. Really looking forward to seeing how he does, it'll be fascinating. Wonder who'll be the scapegoats
Kane scored again today. You keep saying he's no longer world class. Kane keeps scoring, for both club and country.
11 for season now for Spurs … with two thirds of the season yet to play.
The Messi syndrome
I'm not saying he can't be world class again. I'm saying his form last season and this season was definitely not world class. Is it a decline or just a bad year and a half? Just because he still scores goals occasionally doesn't mean he is world class, there's a much higher bar to reach to get to that. Is Tammy Abraham world class? He's scored a lot more league goals than Kane this season.
Nah. Harry Kane's level has dropped since the start of last season. Between 2014/15 and the end of 17/18, yeah he was world class during that period, especially the last 2 years. 31, 28, 35 and 41 goals in all competitions during that time. Since the world cup though, his shots per game has decreased, his xG per game has decreased, and his goals per game has decreased considerably. Look at Lewandowski or Aguero for a reference point for world class. Lewandowski on 23 goals this season already, with over 40 goals in each of the past 4 seasons and set to beat that again this season. Aguero on 13 in 15 and scores around 30 goals every season for the past 6 seasons, and no decrease in output.
Or look at articles like this one covering a bunch of stats showing his reduced influence the last 2 years: https://statsbomb.com/2019/11/is-harry-kane-still-englands-best-striker/
Could be just a rough patch over the past 18 months and he'll get back to his best under Mourinho. Could be that he's not the same player though, and watching him he really looks like he's not the same.
Spurs squad is way better than the one Jose took over here. His biggest task will be to consolidate the defence which i'm sure he'll do. Son and Kane are just perfect Jose players to have. He'll have two boring but hard working midfielders to shield the defence and if he can get Dele Ali playing well again then this is a much healthier side than United's 16/17 squad.
Really think if he gets that defence right and keeps his attacking players, he could really do well there
As I said Son and Kane must be Jose's dream.
Really think if he gets that defence right and keeps his attacking players, he could really do well there
As I said Son and Kane must be Jose's dream.Occasionally? It's now 21 goals in his last 22 games for club and country.
Who cares if Abraham has scored 3 more league goals than Kane so far this season. We're only one third of the way through the campaign. Moreover, when you add in in all competitions they are level on 11 goals.
Was watching the goals and highlights of today's match and he looked x10 times happier than he was here even during his early days at Manchester. Passion, smiling, animated and had a big smile with that 3rd goal. It feels kinda bad, as if seeing your ex being happy with another man, but it is fair to say by how gloomy he was here, he never liked the city that much and was never in mood.
With his passion back and the very good attack and decent midfield they have I can see him succeeding there.
With his passion back and the very good attack and decent midfield they have I can see him succeeding there.
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