It's one of those things which is so bad beyond comprehension, if someone asks me why I don't like it I can't even get out a word, my brain just doesn't know where to start.
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You're more than entitled to your opinion. I could do without the horsey casino bit, but the rest is pretty much perfect for me.
Kylo/Rey/Yoda/Luke/Leia were so spot on.
I know a lot of people were desperate to see Luke do flips and that, but this, like Han Solo in TFA, was so true to the reality of the character.
Carrie Fisher was so good too, I really wish they would have had another movie out of her. Defrosted so much between TFA and TLJ and so much more to give.
She was the one to bring peace to the galaxy. Liked Rey, Fin and Kylo in TFA but they were so bad in TLJ . Still think they went to far with Luke, he was the most optimistic guy in the galaxy in the originals, became a sad old plonk didnt make sense really. Not that Star Wars makes much sense.
Start with the disappearing light blade in the fight scene after Snoke's death.
It's visually pretty cool. The end scene with the red sand shit looks great.
I have virtually nothing good to say about the rest of the film whatsoever.
Never understand people that get so triggered about film titles. Especially Star Wars. In this instance it's like getting annoyed that your turd parcel has the wrong colour wrapping paper.
Of all the things you could level at The Last Jedi (which I love, it's my favourite Star Wars film for a number of reasons) I don't think an absence of bold decisions is a complaint that sticks. If anything, it's proved to be so controversial in the fanbase because it makes so many bold decisions, especially in terms of the decisions it made that will have huge ramifications on the path the next episode takes.
Rouge One was ace, the other two were crap.
I will agree with you to some extent about the other characters and whilst I respect your opinion - Luke, spot on? Never.
When I first saw it I felt exactly the same way about the Canto Bight plot thread. I thought it took up too much time and felt very much like a distracting B-plot that was pulling us away from the more interesting aspects of the story, such as Rey's destiny and the chase in space. But as much as I'd still prefer to have Captain Phasma tracking Finn and Rose through the casino (just so their battle in the final act would have more narrative weight behind it), I think it's important to keep the plot there. The Last Jedi deals with collateral damage and the consequences of war in a way that no other Star Wars film had done previously, even when they had the chance to explore such themes with all the political to-ing and fro-ing of the prequels, and that's what Canto Bight is all about. Without it, you don't really get a chance to feel the anger of common folk like Rose, who have up until this point been pawns and foot soldiers in an expensive, unending and damaging conflict between a father (Vader) and his children (Luke and Leia). Ultimately, though, it's there to serve Finn's character and ensure that he's no longer a neutral by the end of the second act - he's always been sympathetic to the Rebels but his main focus has always been Rey, but after his experiences in The Last Jedi he's now anointed "Rebel Scum". Rose essentially grabs him by the scruff of the neck, shows him the reality of war and capitalism at Canto Bight, and brings him onto the Rebels' side full-time.
Honestly, the first time I watched The Last Jedi I enjoyed most of it but felt a little disappointed for a few reasons. Watching it a second time really bumped it up in my estimations and the issues I'd picked up on initially just completely disappeared. I think it's a wonderfully ambitious and necessarily bold film that takes a big look at the seven previous Star Wars films and the fanbase as a whole, brilliantly deconstructs their shortcomings and faults ("Let the past die, kill it if you have to"), and yet still manages to maintain what I'll lazily refer to as "Star Wars spirit", because despite the amount of risks it takes, it still has the atmosphere of a Star Wars film. There are a few clumsy beats here and there and, as I implied, Finn's battle with Captain Phasma relied a lot on people remembering who she was from The Force Awakens because she had nothing to do in The Last Jedi, but everything else was note perfect. Everything on Ahch-To is beautifully written and delivered so gracefully and patiently (Yoda's scenes especially), the chase in space explores similar themes of collateral damage and ends with one of the best moments in the entire film franchise (the cut to silence), and absolutely everything about the final battle on Crait still blows my mind. The Empire Strikes Back was my favourite for so long but it isn't anymore.
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While I absolutely hate the movie, you're right about this one. It's bold, true. Just bold in a horrible way, to my taste
Yep. It is shit but it makes bold decisions. Like when Van Gaal decided to make Jones our primary corner taker. A shit, but bold decision.While I absolutely hate the movie, you're right about this one. It's bold, true. Just bold in a horrible way, to my taste
I know Disney will continue to earn the ire of comments across the Internet, but Lucasfilm continues to operate as it did before Disney bought them out, though they actually make movies now! Kathleen Kennedy was producing movies for Lucasfilm from the very beginning and was George Lucas's preferred appointment. It's not a dissimilar situation to the Marvel dynamic. Lucasfilm have more than proved that they are capable of making their own mistakes, though I'm not sure anyone was really in a position to hold Lucas back in the late 90's (see Rick McCallum for details).
If you take the Luke from the Expanded Universe, I'm inclined to agree with you. However, Luke was deliberately ambiguous in Return of The Jedi and 'the most optimistic man in the universe' was never in that movie. Anyone who thinks he was should watch it again.
He certainly seemed his old self in Timothy Zahn's novels, but I hated those at the time and still do now. Like so much of the expanded universe, it seemed to completely misjudge the spirit of the films.
The most recent trilogy wisely ignores the plethora of computer games and books, which, to some, are their Star Wars, and that's fine, but they're not the touch point for your general cinema-going audience.
The recent films pick up after Jedi and they've gone to great lengths to not fill in many gaps in between.
Let's remind ourselves of the Luke we knew and loved.
In a short space of time, he had lost his aunt and uncle, lost his first mentor, found out his dad was the person who killed his mentor, had his hand lopped off by his new found father, loses his second mentor, discovers his crush is his sister and then loses his redeemed father (which he had a pretty big hand in). As I say, optimistic Luke wasn't in Return of The Jedi and I've no reason to think he'd revert to being the whiny farm boy again after burning his dad and partying with the ewoks.
Obviously, it's all open to interpretation, there are no right answers. Considering what I've stated above, and the small snippets of Luke's post Jedi life we see, the Luke in The Last Jedi is a perfectly acceptable characterisation, if not the one everyone wanted.
If I don't mention it, I'm sure someone will point to the scene where Luke attempted to kill a child in his sleep. But that's not what actually happened. It was a moment of temptation, and we've seen Luke fall into that trap many times in the past. I actually thought that scene was a brilliant way to show how Ben turned without losing sympathy for the character.
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Were his corners actually that bad though? Maybe I missed it due to the sleep-inducing football, but I can't really remember a moment where I thought "That was a bad corner from Jones".
I agree with most of what you've said, I too did not know what to make of the movie at 3am when it first finished! However, for me, it gets better and better with every viewing, BUT, I still don't like Canto Bight. I didn't think the messaging was subtle enough by a long stretch and the execution of some of the scenes seems a little uneven. As much as I despise the prequels, would be been nice to have podracers instead of horses.
I'm actually genuinely curious about this though. Since I find it an absolute trvesty and I don't think I've ever talked with anyone who actually liked it, would you care to explain why you prefer it to the original trilogy?
Edit: I see you've made your points in this thread already
the title is fine, but i'm not really expecting much from this movie. the last jedi was rubbish, the story for the entire trilogy has been stupid and non-sensical. i would prefer a complete departure story-wise for the next trilogy. it's like disney just wanted to ensure it got its money back at least first by making things utterly samey and predictable.
how they managed to justify the good guys again being a small 'rebel alliance' for this trilogy is just absurd. also renders the 'victory' in ROTJ pointless. the empire just got ridiculously powerful all over again in barely no time. stupid.
how they managed to justify the good guys again being a small 'rebel alliance' for this trilogy is just absurd. also renders the 'victory' in ROTJ pointless. the empire just got ridiculously powerful all over again in barely no time. stupid.
I could go on and on about it, so I'm glad you've already read what I had to say.
Just for context, I'd rank the films in the following order:The Last Jedi
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
I think all Star Wars movies are childish shite.
Every Star Wars thread on here turns into something terrible. I give it another page before people start arguing about Rey beating Luke again.
This tells you that the franchise has degenerated very badly. Before Episode 7, I was extremely excited about the new movies. Since then, everything has gone to shit. Some movies are okay here or there, but not one genuinely "great" blockbuster there, let alone film.
Well, the franchise wasn't very good even before - because of the prequels - but I loved the Clone Wars series back in the day and there was some reason for optimism.
I'd forgotten that Phil Jones taking corners was something that actually happened in real life. Christ.
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Return of the Jedi Redux teaser or something.
Star Wars fans have got to be most nitpicking fans for any franchise. I welcome more of these movies personally, as I’ve enjoyed them all.
Innit.