He's been brilliant since about January. So underrated on here.
Steven Gerrard
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...sses-stats-No-Steven-Gerrard-10-Mousa-Dembele
Throw enough shit at a wall and some of it will stick. The guy turns over possession a quarter of the time he attempts those passes as shown above.
Scholes would easily have a 1 in 8 record if he attempted the same amount. But Scholes also like short passing to dictate tempo and keep us dominant.
I did not say he was a like for like with Rooney, he is better than rooney, but he is closer to Rooneys ability than Scholes' such is the gulf.
You are having a good season and getting carried away.
Gonna be sickening to see him lift the title in May. Sickening.
Easily, i think the more long passes you attempt the more likely you are to lose the ball, hence Joe Allen Arteta etc being on top of the list.
1 good season, i've felt Gerrard was one of the best passers, long passing included long before this season.
The hollywood passing has got a lot more attention since the domination Barcelona and Tiki Taka as the major footballing philosophy, but the likes of Vidal who is said to be one of the best players in the world, frequently has a passing rate of 83-87% playing less long passes than Gerrard.
For me when it comes to the ability to pick out a player from 50,60 yards, Gerrard stands near Alonso, Pirlo, Scholes in that facet of his game, i honestly do, of course you could argue that the aforementioned especially Scholes and Pirlo have better short passing.
I give up, but I will grace the thread with this
That was an interesting read. Though the statistics mask some quite important factors. The ability to hit a long pass can be game changing, as they often create clear opportunity to score, which, being the purpose of the game is very important, and worth taking the risk of losing possession for.
Looking at Gerrards statistics what is really clear is that he takes on far more long passes than any other player by quite some distance, suggesting to me that he takes the risk more often and attempts passes other players either don't see or see and don't feel they have the skill to pull off.
Comparing Scholes short game to Gerrards long passing game, is also a fruitless comparison. Scholes was incredibly effective at dictating the tempo of the game, and his short, quick passing was the tool that made him effective. Gerrards long passing game, opens up the field, creates one v one situations and can turn defence into a goal scoring opportunity. Apples and oranges.
If you are suggesting Scholes didn't attempt numerous risky long passes you are mistaken, take this compilation for example:
So many examples are from the same games.
I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort? Can't you fcuking read or something?
His goal tally, bottle, leadership and influence will do for Liverpool fans...
I can read, I would suggest you need to practice your writing. Your point didn't seem to have any coherent logic to it. I didn't really understand what you were trying to get at at all? Nobody was comparing Scholes' short game to Gerrard's long game, but thanks for telling us that that would be a 'fruitless comparison'.
The conversation was about who was the better long passer of the two. Something which you offered zero insight into.
He's also good at punching people in the face as a preemptive defensive measure.
I'm sure Liverpool fans would like to see him win his first league title before he retires.
Obviously you've not watched much of Paul Scholes as a midfielder, he may have been the greatest long passer in the history of football.
That's nice, Scholes' trophy haul will do for us...
Scholes has better accuracy than Gerrard and was a fair bit better at controlling games. So was Alonso.
I think Gerrard is better at the defence splitting passes though.
Overall, Scholes was probably the more consumate passer of the ball, but that is not to say Gerrard isn't immense in that department.
I think Gerrard is better at the defence splitting passes though.
Overall, Scholes was probably the more consumate passer of the ball, but that is not to say Gerrard isn't immense in that department.
Love that Scholes is infiltrating this thread. Must be therapeutic. Taking the edge off, eh?
Passing like Scholes or not, Gerrard is their Bryan Robson. Carried them for the odd cup success for so long, and is likely to finally win a league medal in the twilight of his career.
Scholes v Gerrard is a thread that could be interesting.
Yes, never ever been done before that...
If you can read you would have noted that I refuted your statement that Scholes would have had better accuracy stats if he attempted as many long passes. He didn't attempt as many, as he was much less likely to take on the lower percentage ones. How you can turn that into me suggesting Scholes didn't make long passes I do not know.
Man, I miss Scholes. What an absolute midfield God.
Fair summary.
no you didn't! Your confusing reading with the concept of me reading your thoughts. You may have meant that, but you sure as hell didn't write that!I would suggest before you fly off the handle next time make sure you aren't making yourself look silly.
What is it we say these days? Criticise the post not the poster?
I reckon if someone made an offhand comment about the toilets at Anfield Snipers Breath would be down on that thread in seconds.
Pretty much the only time he's in the box these days is to take penalties, so there's little call for diving.
Pretty much the only time he's in the box these days is to take penalties, so there's little call for diving.
Looking at Gerrards statistics what is really clear is that he takes on far more long passes than any other player by quite some distance, suggesting to me that he takes the risk more often and attempts passes other players either don't see or see and don't feel they have the skill to pull off.
I would suggest before you fly off the handle next time make sure you aren't making yourself look silly.
What is it we say these days? Criticise the post not the poster?
You had no problem turning that into "Scholes doesn't make long passes"?
All I ask is if you want to comment on my post comment on what I wrote, not what your pre-conceived notions assumed I was thinking. Adding childish emoticons doesn't validate your thought process either.
Compared to what you have now he really was an incredible player. He still is from those 5-aside videos i've seen floating about.
I don't think we'll ever really replace Gerrard when he's gone, and I think it's the same for Scholes at United. For slightly different reasons their influence from midfield is something that is so hard to find. Also both managed at least 15 years at their respective clubs which is a rarity nowadays.
How did people think Gerrard did today? I felt like Lucas coming on helped him a fair bit. West Ham backed off in the second half too which allowed him a bit more time on the ball at the back. His ball to Suarez for the first penalty was outstanding.
He is usually blowing out of his arse by the time he gets to the halfway line these days.
No one had been comparing their games, so you're statement reads as claiming Scholes was more of a short pass midfielder while Gerrard is a long pass midfielder.
This is what people are responding to, as Scholes was a master of the long pass, he just usually played it out wide to a teammate (with laser accuracy that would see the ball sail an inch over the defender's head and onto the toe of his teammate) rather than a 50-50 ball over the top towards his player (but not where only he can get it) that is Gerrard's modus operandi.
Obviously what Scholes did takes more skill.
I don't quite get what you mean with your last point?
I edited it, better?
Bit like you infiltrating a United forum eh! Not that I mind.
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He is. Well past it physically.
But his very presence on the pitch probably brings the best out of the rest of the team.
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Nope he wasn't but he was a better player than Gerrard who himself was a brilliant player (he's a shadow now of what he was) no shame in being not as good as Scholes like it or lump it.
Who would you call the best long passer of the ball in football history, out of curiosity?
Gerrard is a fine midfielder, I just dislike him as a person and for what he's done to the England team. But he doesn't pick himself to start in a midfield 2, does he.
He's not the best ever but Rooney's long range passing can be exceptional.
He lacks the penetration the likes of Pirlo and Scholes can offer.