The game has never been as fast as today. The few minutes less doesn’t take into consideration the greater intensity and stress todays stars are under
Sudden burst of ACL injuries
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
it’s the younger generation. they’ve never had to toughen their acls up, walking uphill to school and back, before a shift in the mines. the youngsters have spongy acls from playing too much minecraft and changing genders.
Better in your day etc?
Not to be picky but that would defo mean 25% isn't the bulk.
25% of injuries over a 3 month period out of 10 months would mean 75% happen from November to May. Meaning one of those 3 month periods would have to be more than 25%.
I would say that's because players return fatter than their body is used to than anything else? I fecked up my knee first fime I gained some extra weight in life.
But it's an interesting stat.
Covid doesn't affect your ACL, mate. It affects your respiratory system.
I think the Howden group compiles these injury reports across all top 5 leagues for insurance indexes or something. Not sure how often, maybe annually.
I think it was actually Sept-Oct - it was a BMJ article so am trying to find the link without a paywall. Hold tight, as said I am a certified redcaf Doctor, no disease too small or injury too large.
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That is actually a theory floated by the experts in that Sky News article.
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Sorry was wrong, 25% in first 15mins & Highest peak Sept-Oct.
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Sorry was wrong, 25% in first 15mins & Highest peak Sept-Oct.
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I wonder just how much this trend of pressing has to do with it.
Football isn't more physical than it used to be. it's actually the opposite in the simplest of terms.
you can't butcher people anymore like in the horrific tackles someone like George Best had to endure.
Attacking players are more protected than ever.
But the pace of the game has changed.
Maybe these constant little sprints when you press someone relentlessly, the changes in movement and body shape, have something to do with it?
More fatigue is accumulated in your body long-term?
No idea.
Football isn't more physical than it used to be. it's actually the opposite in the simplest of terms.
you can't butcher people anymore like in the horrific tackles someone like George Best had to endure.
Attacking players are more protected than ever.
But the pace of the game has changed.
Maybe these constant little sprints when you press someone relentlessly, the changes in movement and body shape, have something to do with it?
More fatigue is accumulated in your body long-term?
No idea.
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The virus is nowhere near fully understood yet, and to reduce it down to the family of viruses it stems from is oversimplification. You can’t just say oh H5N1 is just an influenza virus so it’s the same as all other flus. The CFR in humans is 56%, compared to 0.45% for your standard winter flu.
Nobody knows for sure yet, maybe take time to look at some studies? Like this one from the British Journal of Sport Medicine:
Association between SARS‐COV‐2 infection and muscle strain injury occurrence in elite male football players
Or perhaps this one from the Italian Sport Medicine Federation, where they state:
Hence more studies are definitely needed. Or do we adopt the naive attitude of “nah, it isn’t possible”? I think exploration is wise, if not necessary.
I think you may be on to something with the pressing thing. One thing that happens with pressing is sudden changes of direction and big increases in power in the legs when defenders push hard to keep up with attackers as they move. I think you are right.
It’s a novel virus. With huge interest in it and shitloads of research funding available. There are hundreds of studies trying to demonstrate associations with every illness you can think of. And remember, correlation is not the same thing as causation and these loose associations might already exist with other, less studied viruses. We all know how our muscles can ache during a significant viral illness so wouldn’t be a surprise at all if we’re more likely to get a muscle injury if you get back to sports too quickly after being sick. That’s not the same thing as viruses directly causing a fresh epidemic of musculoskeletal injuries.
I’m sure there will be more studies but yeah, my prediction is indeed nah, the chances of a coronavirus causing an epidemic of ACL injuries are slim to none.
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Militão just slipped on a very unstable pitch presented by Bilbao
i am an expert, thanks.
It's the pitches. They are completely different underfoot compared to a generation ago. Most kids are training on astroturf pitches all year round. Elite professionals play and will mostly train on hybrid grass/astrotruf pitches where the grass is tightly wound and bound into the soil. It's great for maintaining a flat consistent surface all year round, but terrible for allowing the body to absorb lateral contact and force.
Can't be a coincidence can it? Another player getting a Knee injury, LCL this time.
Something is definitely going on to cause so many knee injuries that didn't happen in previous seasons?
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38919326/madrid-camavinga-sustains-serious-knee-injury-france
Something is definitely going on to cause so many knee injuries that didn't happen in previous seasons?
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38919326/madrid-camavinga-sustains-serious-knee-injury-france
They have either serious bad luck or maybe they're doing something wrong in their physical preparation. Courtoius, Militao, Tchouameni, Bellingham, Kepa, Camavinga and now Vinicius Jr.
I think the boots used are part of it along with the pitches as you describe, modern boots offer very little actual support or protection
The winter world cup ,overloading on fixtures. Teams and players paying big time. Either that or its just coincedence
Vax.
It's the stupid holes they cut in the back of their socks obviously.
Players have genuine concerns about the impact on their bodies all these games have and the lack of breaks, and people just laugh at them for being overpaid. Doesn't matter if you are paid £300 a week or £300,000 a week, your body will still feel the impact. And the authorities are doing everything they can to increase the number of games in every competition. Something has to give, and the money men won't so it will just be football with several players missing through injury as the new normal.
Or a wider acceptance of the manager using the whole squad rather than relying on the same players every game, and fans not moaning about someone like Hojlund being substituted and writing off players based on a few games
It’s the covid vaccine.
I've had the Covid vaccine and I've not done myself an injury yet
Food price has increased by about 30%. So these footballers has to eat less to make do.
I'm not a doctor, but eating less (good) food can severely affecting your body strength.
I blame Democrats. And Biden.
I'm not a doctor, but eating less (good) food can severely affecting your body strength.
I blame Democrats. And Biden.
The game is changing and gettin alot more explosive, also i am not sure if the pitches are doing them any favours.
The grassMaster pitches?
Someone should do some proper research.
Someone should do some proper research.
That too, but it requires teams then to have big squads of similar level players which is easier said than done. Can understand why teams are unhappy certain players aren't playing when the replacements aren't up to scratch.
Another one tonight apparently. Gavi.
I love how people here are quicker to blame the vaccine than the virus itself 
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Anyway, some studies have eluded to Covid itself increasing the risk of muscular injury, like this one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/14/818
It’s in no way conclusive though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
But it’s certainly more concrete than the plethora of studies linking it to vaccination (zero), unless someone can show me one? Rather than making unsubstantiated claims.
.Anyway, some studies have eluded to Covid itself increasing the risk of muscular injury, like this one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/14/818
It’s in no way conclusive though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
But it’s certainly more concrete than the plethora of studies linking it to vaccination (zero), unless someone can show me one? Rather than making unsubstantiated claims.
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I love how people here are quicker to blame the vaccine than the virus itself
I hope that people who brought up the covid vaccine were joking. Right?
What's with Barcelona and Spain playing the shit out of players from a really young age? Lamal will be next with crippling injuries when he's 20.
Bit of an understatement TBH - the study had 84 participants - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10454539/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36982090/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34546026/ are bigger sample sizes but in medical research areas these are very tiny numbersI love how people here are quicker to blame the vaccine than the virus itself
Anyway, some studies have eluded to Covid itself increasing the risk of muscular injury, like this one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/14/818
It’s in no way conclusive though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
But it’s certainly more concrete than the plethora of studies linking it to vaccination (zero), unless someone can show me one? Rather than making unsubstantiated claims.
I gather it's safe to say that we were.
also being a pedant, but your ACL isn't a muscleI love how people here are quicker to blame the vaccine than the virus itself
Anyway, some studies have eluded to Covid itself increasing the risk of muscular injury, like this one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/14/818
It’s in no way conclusive though, so take it with a pinch of salt.
But it’s certainly more concrete than the plethora of studies linking it to vaccination (zero), unless someone can show me one? Rather than making unsubstantiated claims.
As a man who did his ACL last year - and thus had the prime year of my footballing life (I'm 37... ) taken away from me, I 100% know and understand exactly what Gavi is going through.
The new Champions League/European football format means that any player playing for a semi decent team at the top level + a barely competitive nation (with all the stuff there too) will see them regularly playing 60+ matches a season. Pretty absurd.