[JakeC]

Cleverly has never looked good on a football pitch barring the start of fergies last season. Whos got more chances at united? Cleverly has had nine lives. Unless you are related to him I just don't see how anyone can think he is united quality. Kagawa however could be a world beater in the #10 role IF given the chance.
The love in for cleverly is fecking ridiculous!

You don't get to be a professional footballer, nevermind play in te premiership for Manchester United, and make 13 caps for England, without looking good on a football pitch.

 

[fordemonk]

You don't get to be a professional footballer, nevermind play in te premiership for Manchester United, and make 13 caps for England, without looking good on a football pitch.

You do. Cleverly did. Its called HYPE and every decent English youngster has it.

 

[Sandikan]

You don't get to be a professional footballer, nevermind play in te premiership for Manchester United, and make 13 caps for England, without looking good on a football pitch.

You have to take people's comment as relative to the level the player is competing at.

How often do we hear "xxx is crap", when it's some international, premier league player, who by very definition, is most likely, not crap.

Or you hear "he's a good player", about some twat on a sunday league park, who would actually literally be sh!t at any professional level.

It's all relative.

 

[fordemonk]

You have to take people's comment as relative to the level the player is competing at.

How often do we hear "xxx is crap", when it's some international, premier league player, who by very definition, is most likely, not crap.

Or you hear "he's a good player", about some twat on a sunday league park, who would actually literally be sh!t at any professional level.

It's all relative.

Stop talking sense!!

 

[The United Irishman]

Cleverly has never looked good on a football pitch barring the start of fergies last season. Whos got more chances at united? Cleverly has had nine lives. Unless you are related to him I just don't see how anyone can think he is united quality. Kagawa however could be a world beater in the #10 role IF given the chance.
The love in for cleverly is fecking ridiculous!

I never said that he was did I? Read my post...I said that both have not lived up to their potential. I am not a Cleverly fan either I'm just stating that it's ridiculous to suggest Kagawa warrants a place ahead of him as he's been just as bad..It's like talking to a kid..see you later son

 

[fordemonk]

I never said that he was did I? Read my post...I said that both have not lived up to their potential. I am not a Cleverly fan either I'm just stating that it's ridiculous to suggest Kagawa warrants a place ahead of him as he's been just as bad..It's like talking to a kid..see you later son

Thanks pops. But you are saying you would prefer cleverly to kagawa tomorrow?

 

[The United Irishman]

Thanks pops. But you are saying you would prefer cleverly to kagawa tomorrow?

No my argument was on your original post that Kagawa deserves to play ahead of Cleverley when he clearly does not as he has not earned to. If you are asking I'd probably play RVP up top and drop Rooney or Mata further back. I've already said I hope Kagawa proves me wrong but so far he's been a bit poo

 

[Brightonian]

Cleverly has never looked good on a football pitch barring the start of fergies last season. Whos got more chances at united? Cleverly has had nine lives. Unless you are related to him I just don't see how anyone can think he is united quality. Kagawa however could be a world beater in the #10 role IF given the chance.

Pretty massive double standards there. They've both had lots of chances in a United shirt and not really taken them. Cleverley, actually, is the one who has had the longest run of good performances, at the start of the 2011-12 season.

You rate Kagawa higher because of what he did at Dortmund. Which is fair enough, but you should acknowledge it. In a United shirt, both have been disappointments.

 

[fordemonk]

Pretty massive double standards there. They've both had lots of chances in a United shirt and not really taken them. Cleverley, actually, is the one who has had the longest run of good performances, at the start of the 2011-12 season.

You rate Kagawa higher because of what he did at Dortmund. Which is fair enough, but you should acknowledge it. In a United shirt, both have been disappointments.

I do acknowledge it but for different reasons. If kagawa got a run of games in his preferred position or even cm and still didn't perform then I would agree with you. Cleverly had some solid performances but never consistent and will never be united standard. No double standards here, cleverly has had a lot more chances in the team. Ill argue this point.

 

[fordemonk]

No my argument was on your original post that Kagawa deserves to play ahead of Cleverley when he clearly does not as he has not earned to. If you are asking I'd probably play RVP up top and drop Rooney or Mata further back. I've already said I hope Kagawa proves me wrong but so far he's been a bit poo

So you wouldn't play cleverly? Youd play rooney or mata? Then why are we arguing. Id agree with this.

 

[The United Irishman]

Pretty massive double standards there. They've both had lots of chances in a United shirt and not really taken them. Cleverley, actually, is the one who has had the longest run of good performances, at the start of the 2011-12 season.

You rate Kagawa higher because of what he did at Dortmund. Which is fair enough, but you should acknowledge it. In a United shirt, both have been disappointments.

Thank you exactly what I have been trying to explain

 

[Cro]

It's just unreal how unlucky we are in terms of injuries.

With Herrera and Carrick missing, our central midfield is down to its bare-bones. Hope Fletcher returns to his pre season form and Cleverley has a decent game tomorrow. Don't fancy us to dominate the game with all those players missing, so I hope that we play with real passion and try everything possible to get those three points.

 

[GRon]

It's just unreal how unlucky we are in terms of injuries.

With Herrera and Carrick missing, our central midfield is down to its bare-bones. Hope Fletcher returns to his pre season form and Cleverley has a decent game tomorrow. Don't fancy us to dominate the game with all those players missing, so I hope that we play with real passion and try everything possible to get those three points.

I'd not say we have been unlucky. With so many players getting injured, it has to have something to do with training methods.

 

[Cro]

I'd not say we have been unlucky. With so many players getting injured, it has to have something to do with training methods.

So how do you explain it?

We now have three different managers over the last three years. They all have different ways and a different staff to train the players, yet we still pick up that much injuries. Earlier this year we installed MRI, CT and ultrasound scanners at Carrington to diagnose injuries even faster and it was said that we probably have one of the best medical facilitiy in the world. So, either we have a pretty unqualified medical staff (which I refuse to believe) or we just are unlucky.

 

[sticky]

It's hard to imagine us playing well with the midfield and defence we are going to be forced to pick. I imagine a lot of people on here won't accept it but a draw would genuinely be a good result for us. Avoid defeat and then look forward to the good times we will see with Di Maria and hopefully a couple of other. This match will surely be as low as it gets for us in terms of the weakness of our squad, after this we can only improve.

 

[Jerch]

I am afraid. Very afraid what will happen tomorrow. We must win and i think i will be very hard to win with players who are available. If we lose our second game to it will be kill for confidence of the players and the fans.

Especially when i think we could bring in di Maria and new mdfieder i get a feeling that we can go and chalenge for the tittle. But to do that we cant afford to lose this game.

About the lineup i hope we don't start with Fletcher and Cleverley in midfield. We can try with Kagawa. We must start with Rooney and RVP in attack. Maybe we can just outscore them or put them under such pressure that they will think only about defending. I would chose this lineup.

......................De Gea

Rafael - Jones - Smalling - Blackett - Young

-----------Fletcher - Kagawa

----------------Mata

------------Rooney - RVP

 

[roseguy64]

Not sure RVP will start. He's only just come back and won't be match fit. Would rather Januzaj or Kagawa start.

 

[ElectroManiac]

So can we pick Di Maria for this?

Joking aside this is what I think LVG will pick.

DDG
Jones Smalling Blackett*
Rafael Fletcher Cleverly Young
Mata
Januzaj Rooney
​

* If Evan is fully fit he will get picked over Blackett.

I think Januzaj will start this one. I think he should be already fit for starting. I think RVP won't start as he probably is still not fit enough and I think he is going to be a sub around the 60-70 minutes.

Now that is what I think we will see, that can potentially convert to 433 quite easily like this.

DDG
Rafael Jones Smalling Blackett
Fletcher Cleverly
Mata
Januzaj Rooney Young​

 

[GRon]

So how do you explain it?

We now have three different managers over the last three years. They all have different ways and a different staff to train the players, yet we still pick up that much injuries. Earlier this year we installed MRI, CT and ultrasound scanners at Carrington to diagnose injuries even faster and it was said that we probably have one of the best medical facilitiy in the world. So, either we have a pretty unqualified medical staff (which I refuse to believe) or we just are unlucky.

I can not explain it. But consistently long injury lists can not be ignored as plain bad luck.

 

[GRon]

So can we pick Di Maria for this?

I am not quite sure why we are in for di Maria. I do not see where he could play in our 1-3-5-2.

 

[LR7]

So, I was watching the training clips from MUTV after the presser and didn't see any sign of Rafael . Did anyone else spot him?
Evans, Valencia, Welbeck and Herrera were all there taking part in the training session though which is a bit odd since he said Herrera was out.
Of the youngsters Blackett, James, Wilson, Powell and Zaha were involved.

 

[HarrowRed1988]

I am not quite sure why we are in for di Maria. I do not see where he could play in our 1-3-5-2.

LVG will go 433. 2 wide players and 1 down the middle I imagine.

 

[scholesboot]

Just out of interest would anyone try Valencia in centre mid? Has pace power and an engine. Ok he lacks any sort of passing ability which is a must. However we are severely lacking in there and in a 3 he could do a job?

Just a thought before I get caf beaten

 

[Cristiano Jonaldo]

What about James Wilson? Am I the only one hoping he makes the bench and comes on for the last 15?

 

[scholesboot]

What about James Wilson? Am I the only one hoping he makes the bench and comes on for the last 15?

I'd start him. I like to see youth. He's better than hernandez with the ball and he can bring others into play.

 

[Cristiano Jonaldo]

I'd start him. I like to see youth. He's better than hernandez with the ball and he can bring others into play.

With Rooney and RVP fit, and given that we could really use the win I wouldn't start him tbh.

The last 15 however when he's fresh and the opposition isn't could build his confidence and give us a boost for the final minutes.

 

[Rafalus]

The result is not important. Today will easy win, 2-1 for us. But Ed must show us Angel tomorrow!
it must happen

 

[scholesboot]

With Rooney and RVP fit, and given that we could really use the win I wouldn't start him tbh.

The last 15 however when he's fresh and the opposition isn't could build his confidence and give us a boost for the final minutes.

I've got a feeling rooney could be in the middle of the park. I may be wrong of course

 

[scholesboot]

The result is not important. Today will easy win, 2-1 for us. But Ed must show us Angel tomorrow!
it must happen

Excuse me? The result is not important but a.signing tomorrow is? Do you only like football during the transfer window or something

 

[Twigg]

Excuse me? The result is not important but a.signing tomorrow is? Do you only like football during the transfer window or something

I think it's quite obvious English isn't his first language

 

[scholesboot]

I think it's quite obvious English isn't his first language

Yeah true mate. Beggars belief

 

[Rafalus]

Excuse me? The result is not important but a.signing tomorrow is? Do you only like football during the transfer window or something

Not the most important today. I don't see our game and results to the end of the season with the players that we have now, especially on the wings and in the centre midfielders ( Clev!). Do you want to have a repeat of the previous season?

 

[scholesboot]

Not the most important today. I don't see our game and results to the end of the season with the players that we have now, especially on the wings and in the centre midfielders ( Clev!). Do you want to have a repeat of the previous season?

Every game is important. Or it will end up like last season. Good job you aren't in charge. Jesus wept

 

[Rafalus]

Every game is important. Or it will end up like last season. Good job you aren't in charge. Jesus wept

In last season every game was important too and without good transfer we finished as we know it

 

[deanobaggio]

Anyone but Cleverly in centre mid today…..Rather see Pearson given a chance than watch another Cleverly bottle job

 

[82pence]

Anyone but Cleverly in centre mid today…..Rather see Pearson given a chance than watch another Cleverly bottle job

Agree 100%. I would like us try an almost centre midfield 4 (still pretty much the 3-5-2 but one of the strikers drop to make it two attacking mids)...

-----------------DDG--------------

--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett

Rafael------Fletcher------Rooney-------Young

-------------Kagawa-----Mata-----------

------------------V.Persie--------------

 

[KYcinco]

For some reason I think LVG will like Ando's style of play, one thing Anderson enjoy's other than food(I might as well get the food jokes out the way) is passing and moving.

I think a surprise is in store....

 

[Rafalus]

so:

-----------------DDG--------------

--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett

Rafael------Fletcher------Anderson-------Kagawa

-------------Rooney-----Mata-----------

------------------V.Persie--------------

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

5-3-2
DDG
Jones Smalling Blackett
Rafael...........Fletcher...........Young
Kagawa...........Mata
RVP Welbeck

OR

3-4-3

DDG
Jones Smalling Blackett
Rafael Fletcher Mata Young
Welbeck...........RVP...........Janzuzaj/Kag

Shame that Carrick is out, I assume Fellaini, Rooney, Valencia, Evans, Herrera all out from peoples posts​

 

[Scholesy 18]

------------------De Gea-----------------

--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett---

Rafael------Fletcher------Cleverly-----Young

-------------------Mata-------------------------

-----------RVP------------Rooney---------------