Outscoring Jose Mourinho teams is nothing to write home about. You scored about 20 goals fewer than both the top two teams in a season where Chelsea hoped to run them close. Goalscoring has obviously been an issue for you this season.
He's never been prolific
Or the Italian league is a poor standard???? Note Lukaku
He's never been prolific
Last season under Lampard he missed a lot of chances some of them being stonewall sitters. His stats for Roma are also kind of deceiving - in the first half of the season he managed to only score 6 times in 18 appearances - playing the full 90 in almost all of them.
Mourinho or not those teams still had guaranteed 20 goals by either Lampard or Costa, a further 10-15 by either Drogba or Hazard and the elite service of either Robben or Fabregas. This team have nothing on that level attacking wise.
It's a slightly lower standard at the moment, but poor it isn't. Lukaku isn't proof. I can counter by saying Salah came here and ripped up the league. Ronaldo came from Italy at 37 and, despite the doubts, he's still doing it. It's down to the player.
The same people screaming over his stats wouldn't want immobile who has scored more.
Most certainly but that's because of people's obsession with big transfers and always looking for the next thing. I feel that Tammy would have done better than Lukaku although that's merely my feeling, there's no way to prove that. But even if he hadn't though, you'd at least have saved spunking £100m on a 30yo that can't perform in this league. You would have saved yourselves a headache and could have strengthened elsewhere instead.
Immobile's been scoring for fun there but on the european and world stage he looks painfully average.
It's different though. There's a strong feeling among some that Immobile isn't a player who would do well outside of Italy. He tried to and failed.
If he was Croatian or Spanish then his stats would be flapped over.
I think that’s fair Dan however from an outside perspective it doesn’t feel that it’s ‘worked out well’ with regards to how you’ve managed your youth players.
They already had Tammy though and he’d cost them nothing and already scored PL goals. It’s a totally different scenario.
Yep, he done it 15 times before lockdown in his first season yet Lampard still turned to Giroud when it came to the business end.
How many Kane level strikers are there? I think there's a dearth of top class number 9s a top club can sign on the market. One is going to City.
Yep.
Watch Chelsea with and without Lukaku and then tell me the #9 isn't a vital part of the chance creating process. If we were going to sign Lukaku, then yeah we should have just kept Tammy because he was scoring at a decent rate whilst having a negative overall impact on how the team played, which is more than Lukaku is doing. My position has always been that selling Tammy was the right decision, unless he was happy to be a rotational option, and signing Lukaku was a terrible decision. Selling Tammy is only the wrong move when it's put side by side with the decision to sign Lukaku, but on its own it was the right thing for him and the club.
Ironically this all reminds me of when we let Lukaku go in the first place. Eto'o while past his best was a much better fit for what Mourinho wanted but people just looked at the top line and banged on about what a "mistake" we made.
When we won cl last season with our highest goalscorer in league was jorginho with 7 and Werner missing some dozens of chances our board just came up with this idea that let leave Tammy Abraham and bring in even less mobile striker in Lukaku.
He's next in line after Kane at the moment. No other striker is even close to Abraham's form this season. He has to keep it up next season to cement his place as Kane's first choice backup at the WC.
Yeah, I just hope that it isn't a case of "out of sight, out of mind", just because he is playing in Italy.....
I see what you mean:
It's what's been happening to Tomori the last couple of international breaks, so I wouldn't put it past Southgate. I doubt it though. He's already a part of the squad.
Certainly his spot on the plane to loose
Vardey has retired from international football i think
Yeah. At the start of the season, Ings, potentially DCL and even Watkins were the contenders alongside Tammy. It looks it isn't even a contest anymore, but yeah Tammy would need to stay injury free and keep this form going into next season, but if even if his form isn't great, the others would still need to hit the ground running to steal his place. None of which I can see happening. He's as good as on the plane, barring an injury.
possibly Nketiah... again seems a very long shot
No disrespect to Nketiah, but he won't be anywhere near the England squad. Arsenal will most likely upgrade on him this summer.
Yeah Nketiah is at best a third or forth rate player, he shouldn't even be in this discussion.
For Southgate I think it's
He's semi-retired. Says he'll come back if we really need him.
Nketiah, along with Hudson Odoi and Lamptey are likely to declare for Ghana soon. Ghana qualified for the World Cup so have become attactive for these players as none are close for England as it stands.
I think Hudson Odoi has had a change of heart. He has a long history with England, 45 youth caps and an under 17 World Cup winner. He also has 3 senior caps. If he hadn't done his achillies then I'm sure he'd be cap tied to England by now but that set his England career back significantly. In the meantime I think he's decided that he really wants to play for Ghana.
Something England need to keep an eye on is other countries tempting their players. It even happens right under their nose with Wales!
Livramento is eligible for Scotland and Portugal I think - but like lampty and AWB would probably have a lot of caps in a previous generation but with Trent and James there they may well be tempted to dig through the family tree
