Tanguy Ndombele | Spurs player
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It's not difficult to make the connection between the people that went way over board when he signed for Spurs and the ones that think Poch is the second coming (you don't even need to leave this page to see it). I very much doubt we had that many posters who had been watching Ligue 1 for the past two years that could make an informed decision on how good he actually was, certainly not to the point where they could lambast the club for missing out on such a gem.
Yaya Toure would've struggled under Mourinho too. He's never had time for languid, temperamental and sometimes careless players in any position, and particularly not in midfield. Mancini and Pellegrini would've preferred if Toure didn't have those flaws but rather than believe they could knock it out of him, they accommodated him because his other qualities were levels above his team mates. Mourinho's too inflexible for that.
I don't think Pochettino is the 2nd coming, for what it's worth. People just have different opinions.
Fair enough if you think that. If you look at the football forum, though, you'll see that people on here do watch French footy.
I saw a lot of him at Lyon and was very impressed by him. I remember hearing that prior to his last season at Lyon where he was pretty consistent, he'd always had troubles with said consistency and fitness so I'm not too surprise to see him struggling. I think he will come good because, imo, he is very talented.
Like others have said, I really do see similarities with Fred in terms of adjusting to the league and the handling of said players by José.
I'm not saying no one watches the French league, but those claiming we had missed out on this terrific players was massively disproportionate.
That's fair enough. Do you see him working his proverbial balls off like Fred to adapt to the league? As I said, that's the defining difference. Have you ever seen Fred pretend to challenge a player 3 or 4 times in the space of 10 seconds?
Classic Jose. Throwing players under the bus publicly. Still remember when he after a decent performance from Luke Shaw said, Shaw had played with his body but Jose's mind.
Will sell him, in 2 years time another PL team will sign him, he’ll be a roaring success, then Mourinho will claim he didn’t want to sell him and always rated him
He dug out both Salah and De Bryune while are Chelsea. And Lukaku.
And didn’t he claim just before leaving that he didn’t want Fred at United? This when Fred was struggling. He now looks a decent buy
Side note: must be so annoying being a Chelsea fan and knowing the best 2 PL teams best players both used to play for them
He was vastly overrated in the summer by many on this forum.
I don't think he has the work ethic of Fred, no. Unlike Fred trying his best to rise to the challenge, I can see him wanting a new challenge elsewhere if the struggles continue.
I think @Brwned makes a good point above as well. Like how Mancini and Pellegrini adapted to fit a languid Yaya in their systems, I think José should try and adapt as well because, on form, he's a hell of a player.
Yaya was immensely talented. You can compensate for a player as gifted as Toure. Has Ndombele demonstrated that he can consistently dominate games against top brass opposition like Yaya? Not even close. Players need to earn the right for managers and teams to compensate for them. He's a liability whose shortcomings greatly outweigh his positives right now. If he isn't willing to put the effort in now to earn his place in the team, what makes you so sure he'll ever do it?
That's fine, I never said otherwise.
I think it was a huge case of how low we all were and how desperate we had become
That tells us all we need to know. It's the most demanding, competitive league in the world. Teams aren't going to give you time to do your thing. Fred had a rough time of it and recognised he had to adapt. He listened to the manager and the coaching staff and now he's one of the best midfielders in the league.
Yaya was on another level to Ndombele. You do make concessions for those players. I highly doubt Mancini and Pellegrini would do so for Ndombele in this league.
Ndombele, for all we know, could be trying his best to adapt, too. He may not have the work rate of a Fred, but that doesn't mean he's not listening to his manager and coaches. Only time will tell.
Also, imo, Fred getting away from José helped a bunch, too. If José was still here I don't think Fred would be as consistent as he is now. Fred did have a few good games under José, but he never settled because, at the drop of a hat, he'd be dropped and the toxicity José created probably made it harder to settle, too.
Agreed. Ndombele needs to show he's worth making said adaptions for certainly.
I'm not sure he'll ever do it. You're the one intent on making definitive claims about things we don't know much about, not me. The jury is out on Ndombele right now. He's not played much and it's not unusual to still be finding your feet at this stage in a new league, especially given the environment he stepped into.
We have a lot more evidence about Mourinho and the kind of players he likes, and it's pretty clear Ndombele is not his kind of player. So even if he was a top player, this isn't an environment he can thrive in. Toure may be a better player but he'd have struggled to shine under Mourinho too. That was my only point.
Can't believe no one has posted this yet 
Not surprised that Mourinho is struggling to utilize N’Dombele. He is a midfielder that started of brilliantly under Pochettino, but has been mismanaged under Mourinho. If I was N’Dombele, he should leave if he wants to save his career. Mourinho made several of our players appear like shite, only for them to show their true abilities after he got sacked.
Come on, you seriously going to take that stance? If you want to pretend that he's going to reach Yaya levels then that's fine, dream away. He's not going to be given the licence someone like Yaya had by any manager in this league. He's been utterly shit and his match performance have shown a complete lack of effort on more than one occasion.
I know it's any easy claim to make right now but Auoar was always the one who impressed me more. However N'Dombele is an excellent player but Jose doesn't know how to use him just like Fred and Pogba. If Spurs don't sack him then N'Dombele needs to move this summer and to be honest I wouldn't mind signing him.
Putting in the minimum required level of effort on the pitch is fundamental to adapting, particularly in a league like the PL. It's very visible that he could and should be doing more.
Probably. I still think Fred would have forced his way into the pitch, though perhaps not to the level he has under Ole. What Ole is doing with this squad in general is underrated.
Didnt see the recent Spurs game where he was hooked at half time. But looking over his stats they seem fine. Maybe not enough defensive output for Jose? Although given N'Dombele's skill set how much defending should he be doing? Could see him deployed in a more box to box role than a holding DM that sits in front of the CB's.
He has certainly had his injury problems this season as well being in and out of the squad. Seems every Spurs game I have seen he is coming back from injury and trying to recover match fitness. Looking rekt by the hour mark.
He has certainly had his injury problems this season as well being in and out of the squad. Seems every Spurs game I have seen he is coming back from injury and trying to recover match fitness. Looking rekt by the hour mark.
Poch must have just turned his WiFi on so you can post from your gimp cage in his cellar?
jose will be long gone before n’dombele. Just has to wait him out.
This movie again. A nasty falling out over defensive workrate. Not even going to go into the merits of the criticism but Jose can't make a valid criticism without creating a toxic situation. The fans will now turn on the player while the players who feel sympathy for him will split the dressing room. The fanbase will be split and have their own Mourinhistas civil war
Jose didn't say anything about his defensive contribution (at least on the sky interview after the game). It was the fact that he wasn't showing, making himself available to receive the ball from the defenders, which made them have to go long.
Can't see how trashing players in public would help anything.
Can't believe no one has posted this yet
That's almost as bad as the Shaw, Brighton sequence.
I remember he was flavour of the month for many posters last summer. Looks way out of his depth in the Premier League.
It seems he's that bad that he has kick-started Jose's meltdown 2 years early!!
It seems he's that bad that he has kick-started Jose's meltdown 2 years early!!
No reason to dig him out in public other than Jose needing someone to blame
You’d think Jose would learn this strategy rarely works
You’d think Jose would learn this strategy rarely works
However his manager could have kept it private and not called him out in public.
I think it would be mad to write him off as a player in the PL, but under Jose? Yeah worried we'll never see the best of him. Well not WORRIED because for our sake its better if he continues being crap for Spurs.
Because Mou needs to deflect from the fact he's doing terrible work.
Cost Spurs more than Fernandes cost us. He just doesn't work very hard when the team doesnt have the ball, against Burnley in the first 45 mins for example he didnt win a tackle or make an interception in the 45 mins he had before being hooked despite playing in CM.
Lo Celso and Moura came on and made 1 tackle each in the 45 mins they had and they're more attacking players than NDombele is.
Lo Celso and Moura came on and made 1 tackle each in the 45 mins they had and they're more attacking players than NDombele is.
If you want to know who the frauds are on this forum look no further than the ones who pretended to know anything aboht this player. Unless you live in France, no one is watching enough Lyon games to have a valid opinion on this guy.
Ndombele is clearly a class player, you don’t go to the camp nou and outplay Barca if you’ve not got something about you.I remember he was flavour of the month for many posters last summer. Looks way out of his depth in the Premier League.
It seems he's that bad that he has kick-started Jose's meltdown 2 years early!!
he’s been struggling with injuries for most of the season and is clearly not as fit as he needs to be, the video above is him puffing hard, but he’s still trying.
mourinho obviously isn’t happy and that’s his right to have - but he won’t get more out of him by singling him out. This generation doesn’t react well to criticism.
Maybe we can do a swap deal with spurs for him then with lingard and matic going the other way seeing as they were two of Mourinho's favourites.
Eugh, NO generation reacts well to criticism ffs.
Just saying, it’s a weird hill to die on considering Jose Mourinho has been spot off about anything football related in the past 3 years or so.
Yeah in fairness there is obviously a player in there based on past performances but they look a world away at the moment, hopefully Mourinho doesn’t demolish his confidence before he finds his feet in the Premier League.
Wouldn't look too much into it. Ndombele needs to improve but working under the current Mourinho can be toxic.