It's fun.
The Adjusted League Table
- Thread starter MikeUpNorth
- Start date
It's Pete's.
So you've just done it by the table as it stands each week?
That's seems a good compromise, and a lot simpler than the weighting thing I was suggesting. Over the course of the season it will converge more and more with the reality of who is actually middle 8 /bottom 8 quality.
What do you think Mike? Do you agree there's an issue here? I mean, even this season we were debating how to score City as no-one knew how they'd perform. If some crap club get bought and hundreds of mil spent on them over the summer, it seems silly to spend the whole season pretending it hasn't happened.
Yes, makes sense. Although this season the adjusted league table probably isn't going to tell us anything the actual league table won't.
Yes, you always use the current standings. It's obviously a crap method early in the season, but it should be quite good at this stage. In fact I have a strong urge to do this for previous seasons, ie to compare adjusted mid-season tables to actual final tables, but that sounds like a whole lot of work.
The idea is nice, but the implementation is a bit spastic...
.... and the postings in this thread make it looks more spastic.
.... and the postings in this thread make it looks more spastic.
There's something fairly amusing about this.
Have to say Rowem's system is preferable!
Not if you're a Liverpool fan
first post out of date
Good weekend for Arsenal's figures.
Updated using original method.
Liverpool's is great reading, they've only gained points twice, once at West Ham which the system is rating much too highly.
The rest of us look about right to me, based on how we all seem to have played.
The rest of us look about right to me, based on how we all seem to have played.
There's now a massive difference in the gaps to Chelsea in Peter and Rowem's Current Table Adjustoramas:
Peter:
Chelsea 2
Arsenal -4
Man Utd -5
Liverpool -13
Rowem:
Chelsea -0.25
Man Utd -2.5
Arsenal -3
Liverpool -12.25
Peter:
Chelsea 2
Arsenal -4
Man Utd -5
Liverpool -13
Rowem:
Chelsea -0.25
Man Utd -2.5
Arsenal -3
Liverpool -12.25
Here they haven't even gained points once in Peter's system, because Everton and West Ham are doing worse than predicted, and only a couple of single and half points in Rowem's.
So Liverpool are actually doing a lot worse than it already seems. Teehee.
Just noted the 20th Dec update.
Interesting to see that both systems for adjusting the league table are beginning to produce similar standings in terms of respective team positions.
Interesting to see that both systems for adjusting the league table are beginning to produce similar standings in terms of respective team positions.
Yes, we've had enough matches now that the league's starting to catch up with the reality of teams' form.
Look at Liverpool... what a bunch of hapless cnuts!
I'd be interested to see the results by the Pillory method.
Look at Liverpool... what a bunch of hapless cnuts!I'd be interested to see the results by the Pillory method.
Peter:
Chelsea 0
Arsenal -3
Man Utd -6
Liverpool -18
Rowem:
Chelsea -2.25
Arsenal -4.5
Man Utd -5
Liverpool -14.75
Bonus fun: Liverpool's season in the PeterPillory system:
-1
0
-3
0
0
0
0
0
-1
0
-1
-2
-2
0
-2
-3
0
-3
West Ham is the sticking point in PeterStorey's system. Otherwise it's pretty damn good way of telling who has the upper hand. In anycase it's clear Chelsea have the run at the moment.
Rather than continuing to include Liverpool in this list, MikeupNorth would now be better off adding in Villa (-7).
Villa are only 1 point behind Man. Utd in this system !!
For my own amusement I've calculated Spurs at -9 currently, but even that is still +9 better than Liverpool.
Villa would be much better included than Liverpool, I agree, however these Mancs find some curious pleasure in highlighting Liverpool's difficulties.
However, focusing on where Spurs appear in this scenario is frankly disgustingly self indulgent of you.
This must win the award for the
"
thread of the year!"
"
thread of the year!"The Chavs have the upper hand ... because they are 4 points ahead of us. i could have told you that just by looking at the league table - it took me just 2 seconds and I did need the pythagorus binary bollox formulae concocted above!
As I said back then......as time goes by the different systems should converge reaching a singular view come the time the result is known
This year's not been as useful as last year when under PeterStorey's system United were about 4 or 5 points clear of Liverpool when the league table showed that Liverpool were 4 points clear.
Well, that has a lot of do with our strange fixture last season of playing everyone in the top half away in the first half of the season.
Course and it was reflected by Peter's system. But it didn't stop the doom-mongers and the media from writing us off and many predicting it was Liverpool's title.
Maybe there's a way to adjust game weighting based on table position at the time of kickoff. Shouldn't involve much more than a-
Oh look, leftover pizza.
Arsenal have overtaken Chelsea in both systems. MUP hasn't updated his, but I'm pretty sure it now is
Arsenal 2
Chelsea 0
United -3
Liverpool - 100
Arsenal 2
Chelsea 0
United -3
Liverpool - 100
at LiverpoolIs there any reason not to switch Brum and WHU and also Fulham and Everton? It wouldn't involve much work to recalculate the numbers and would reflect the difficulty more accurately, I think.
When is the table going to be updated ?
And how is the Leeds defeat going to be factored in?
The adjusted "adjusted league table"
This is something that kept me entertained while in the newbies.
In no way will this thread predict who will win the title or make any sort of accurate calculations on the amount of points teams will collect at the end of the season. Neither will it show what team is the most favourable or on course to win the Premier League.
It's sole purpose is the fact that I am bored, and that the circumstances which define Peters table have changed because variable change was not taken into account from the beginning. For example Birmingham (the most in form team at the moment) 25/33 points in last 11, are considered a bottom 8 team and Liverpool haven't been a top 4 team since the start of the season. Also I will use the scores for Spurs City and Villa as they are the only probable teams with the ability to make the Top 4 this season.
So I decided to make another table where the positions of the teams will be looked at according to the actual Premier League table every five games. The scoring principle will be the same.
Win home fixtures (57 pts)
Win away fixtures v bottom 8 (24 pts)
Draw away fixtures v middle 8 (8 pts)
Lose away fixtures v other top 4 (0pts)
After 5:
After 10:
After 15:
After 20: (current)
If anyone could point out any mistakes I might have made I would be really grateful.
Thanks to Laphroaig for simplifying the post layout.
Updated 31.12.2009
This is something that kept me entertained while in the newbies.
In no way will this thread predict who will win the title or make any sort of accurate calculations on the amount of points teams will collect at the end of the season. Neither will it show what team is the most favourable or on course to win the Premier League.
It's sole purpose is the fact that I am bored, and that the circumstances which define Peters table have changed because variable change was not taken into account from the beginning. For example Birmingham (the most in form team at the moment) 25/33 points in last 11, are considered a bottom 8 team and Liverpool haven't been a top 4 team since the start of the season. Also I will use the scores for Spurs City and Villa as they are the only probable teams with the ability to make the Top 4 this season.
So I decided to make another table where the positions of the teams will be looked at according to the actual Premier League table every five games. The scoring principle will be the same.
Win home fixtures (57 pts)
Win away fixtures v bottom 8 (24 pts)
Draw away fixtures v middle 8 (8 pts)
Lose away fixtures v other top 4 (0pts)
After 5:
So the first five weeks the teams will be grouped like in Peters table.
Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
Middle Eight: Everton, Man City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
Chelsea +6
Arsenal +1
City 0
United -1
Villa -1
Spurs -1
Liverpool -4
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
Middle Eight: Everton, Man City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
Chelsea +6
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Arsenal +1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
City 0
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
United -1
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Villa -1
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Spurs -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Liverpool -4
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 15
2 Manchester United 12
3 Manchester City 12
4 Tottenham Hotspur 12[/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Aston Villa 12
6 Liverpool 9
7 Arsenal 9
8 Sunderland 9
9 Stoke City 7
10 Fulham 6
11 Wigan Athletic 6
12 Burnley 6 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Everton 6
14 West Ham United 4
15 Birmingham City 4
16 Wolverhampton Wndrs 4
17 Hull City 4
18 Bolton Wanderers 4
19 Blackburn Rovers 4
20 Portsmouth 0[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Spurs
Middle Eight: Burnley, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Everton, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +4
Arsenal +1
United -2
City -4
Liverpool -5
Spurs -6
Villa -8
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Burnley, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Everton, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +4
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Arsenal +1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
United -2
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
City -4
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Liverpool -5
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Spurs -6
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Villa -8
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 24
2 Manchester United 22
3 Arsenal 22
4 Manchester City 19 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Tottenham Hotspur 19
6 Liverpool 18
7 Aston Villa 17
8 Sunderland 16
9 Stoke City 15
10 Fulham 14
11 Wigan Athletic 13
12 Everton 12 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Burnley 12
14 Bolton Wanderers 11
15 Birmingham City 10
16 Blackburn Rovers 10
17 Wolverhampton Wndrs 9
18 Hull City 8
19 West Ham United 7
20 Portsmouth 4[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City,
Middle Eight: Everton, Spurs, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +7
Arsenal -1
United -2
Spurs -6
City -10
Liverpool -10
Villa -12
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Everton, Spurs, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +7
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Arsenal -1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
United -2
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Spurs -6
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
City -10
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Liverpool -10
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa -12
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 36
2 Manchester United 34
3 Arsenal 31
4 Tottenham Hotspur 27[/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Manchester City 26
6 Aston Villa 26
7 Liverpool 24
8 Fulham 22
9 Birmingham City 21
10 Sunderland 20
11 Stoke City 20
12 Blackburn Rovers 18[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Wigan Athletic 17
14 Burnley 17
15 Everton 16
16 Hull City 16
17 West Ham United 14
18 Bolton Wanderers 13
19 Wolverhampton Wndrs 13
20 Portsmouth 10[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs,
Middle Eight: Blackburn, Man City, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Everton, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Wigan
So we calculate:
Chelsea +2
Arsenal -3
United -6
Spurs -7
City -10
Liverpool -10
Villa -10
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Blackburn, Man City, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Everton, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Wigan
So we calculate:
Chelsea +2
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) -1
West Ham (a) -2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Everton (h) -2
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) -1
West Ham (a) -2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Everton (h) -2
Arsenal -3
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Burnley (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Villa (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Burnley (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Villa (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
United -6
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Hulla (a) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Wolves (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Hulla (a) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Wolves (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Spurs -7
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Wolves (h) -3
City (h) 0
Blackburn (a) +2
Fulham (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Wolves (h) -3
City (h) 0
Blackburn (a) +2
Fulham (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
City -10
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Spurs (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Spurs (a) 0
Liverpool -10
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa (a) +3
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) -3
Wigan (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa (a) +3
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) -3
Wigan (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Villa -10
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
Liverpool (h) -3
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
United (a) +3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
Liverpool (h) -3
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
United (a) +3
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 45
2 Manchester United 43
3 Arsenal 41 -1 game
4 Tottenham Hotspur 37 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Manchester City 35 -1 game
6 Aston Villa 35
7 Liverpool 33
8 Birmingham City 32
9 Fulham 27 -1 game
10 Sunderland 23
11 Everton 22 -1 game
12 Stoke City 21 -1 game [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Blackburn Rovers 21
14 Burnley 20
15 Wolverhampton Wndrs 19
16 Wigan Athletic 19 -1 game
17 West Ham United 18
18 Bolton Wanderers 18 -2 games
19 Hull City 18
20 Portsmouth 14[/COLOR]If anyone could point out any mistakes I might have made I would be really grateful.
Thanks to Laphroaig for simplifying the post layout.
Updated 31.12.2009
Timely question!
I was thinking about this. PS's system has three tiers, Rowem's has four and that was meant to be a more nuanced and precise representation of the league. But right now it looks to me like it makes more sense to part them in three, like this;
Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
Middle Eight: Everton, Man City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Fulham, Sunderland, Stoke, Birmingham
Bottom Eight: Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, West Ham
To do so with Rowem's system would take some rearrangements of the whole thing though. I suppose a 4-4-4-8 is more accurate than a 4-4-6-6, or a 4-3-5-8. I don't feel that Fulham or Birmingham belong with Villa etc, and if any of the lower middle team does, it's Everton. They've just been unlucky with injuries.
Bottom 6: Pompey, Hull, Burnley, Wolves, Bolton, West Ham, Blackburn, Wigan
Lower middle 6: Everton, Stoke, Sunderland, Birmingham
Upper middle 4: Fulham, Aston Villa, Spurs, Man City
Top 4: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
So while Peter's system can adapt to the realities quite easily, it's a bit messier for Rowem's.
It's supposed to be a cheap 'n' cheerful, back-of-a-fag-packet sum not one requiring a massively parallel Cray.
Perhaps post it like this?
Win home fixtures (57 pts)
Win away fixtures v bottom 8 (24 pts)
Draw away fixtures v middle 8 (8 pts)
Lose away fixtures v other top 4 (0pts)
After 5:
After 10:
After 15:
After 20: (current)
Updated 31.12.2009
Win home fixtures (57 pts)
Win away fixtures v bottom 8 (24 pts)
Draw away fixtures v middle 8 (8 pts)
Lose away fixtures v other top 4 (0pts)
After 5:
So the first five weeks the teams will be grouped like in Peters table.
Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
Middle Eight: Everton, Man City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
Chelsea +6
Arsenal +1
City 0
United -1
Villa -1
Spurs -1
Liverpool -4
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool
Middle Eight: Everton, Man City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
Chelsea +6
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Arsenal +1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
City 0
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
United -1
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Villa -1
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Spurs -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Liverpool -4
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 15
2 Manchester United 12
3 Manchester City 12
4 Tottenham Hotspur 12[/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Aston Villa 12
6 Liverpool 9
7 Arsenal 9
8 Sunderland 9
9 Stoke City 7
10 Fulham 6
11 Wigan Athletic 6
12 Burnley 6 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Everton 6
14 West Ham United 4
15 Birmingham City 4
16 Wolverhampton Wndrs 4
17 Hull City 4
18 Bolton Wanderers 4
19 Blackburn Rovers 4
20 Portsmouth 0[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Spurs
Middle Eight: Burnley, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Everton, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +4
Arsenal +1
United -2
City -4
Liverpool -5
Spurs -6
Villa -8
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Burnley, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Everton, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +4
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Arsenal +1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
United -2
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
City -4
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Liverpool -5
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Spurs -6
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Villa -8
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 24
2 Manchester United 22
3 Arsenal 22
4 Manchester City 19 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Tottenham Hotspur 19
6 Liverpool 18
7 Aston Villa 17
8 Sunderland 16
9 Stoke City 15
10 Fulham 14
11 Wigan Athletic 13
12 Everton 12 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Burnley 12
14 Bolton Wanderers 11
15 Birmingham City 10
16 Blackburn Rovers 10
17 Wolverhampton Wndrs 9
18 Hull City 8
19 West Ham United 7
20 Portsmouth 4[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City,
Middle Eight: Everton, Spurs, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +7
Arsenal -1
United -2
Spurs -6
City -10
Liverpool -10
Villa -12
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Everton, Spurs, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham
So we calculate:
Chelsea +7
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Arsenal -1
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
United -2
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Spurs -6
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
City -10
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Liverpool -10
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa -12
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 36
2 Manchester United 34
3 Arsenal 31
4 Tottenham Hotspur 27[/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Manchester City 26
6 Aston Villa 26
7 Liverpool 24
8 Fulham 22
9 Birmingham City 21
10 Sunderland 20
11 Stoke City 20
12 Blackburn Rovers 18[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Wigan Athletic 17
14 Burnley 17
15 Everton 16
16 Hull City 16
17 West Ham United 14
18 Bolton Wanderers 13
19 Wolverhampton Wndrs 13
20 Portsmouth 10[/COLOR]Top Four: Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs,
Middle Eight: Blackburn, Man City, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Everton, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Wigan
So we calculate:
Chelsea +2
Arsenal -3
United -6
Spurs -7
City -10
Liverpool -10
Villa -10
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Middle Eight: Blackburn, Man City, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Stoke
Bottom Eight: West Ham, Everton, Bolton, Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Wigan
So we calculate:
Chelsea +2
Hull (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) -1
West Ham (a) -2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Everton (h) -2
Sunderland (a) +2
Fulham (a) +2
Burnley (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Spurs (h) 0
Wigan (a) -1
Liverpool (h) 0
Aston Villa (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Bolton (a) 0
Man Utd (h) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Arsenal (a) +3
Man City (a) 0
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) -1
West Ham (a) -2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Everton (h) -2
Arsenal -3
Everton (a) +2
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Burnley (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Villa (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Man Utd (a) 0
Man City (a) -1
Wigan (h) 0
Fulham (a) +2
Blackburn (h) 0
Birmingham (h) 0
West Ham (a) -2
Tottenham (h) 0
Wolves (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Chelsea (h) -3
Stoke (h) 0
Liverpool (a) +2
Burnley (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Villa (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
United -6
Birmingham (h) 0
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Hulla (a) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Wolves (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Burnley (a) -3
Wigan (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
Spurs (a) +2
Man City (h) 0
Stoke (a) +2
Sunderland (h) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Liverpool (a) -1
Blackburn (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Everton (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Hulla (a) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Wolves (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Spurs -7
Liverpool (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Wolves (h) -3
City (h) 0
Blackburn (a) +2
Fulham (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Hull (a) 0
West Ham (a) +2
Birmingham (h) 0
United (h) -3
Chelsea (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
Bolton (a) -2
Portsmouth (a) 0
Stoke (h) -3
Everton (a) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Wolves (h) -3
City (h) 0
Blackburn (a) +2
Fulham (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
City -10
Blackburn (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Spurs (a) 0
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) 0
Arsenal (h) 0
United (a) 0
West Ham (h) 0
Villa (a) 0
Wigan (a) 0
Fulham (h) -2
Birmingham (a) -2
Bolton (a) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Hull (h) -2
Liverpool (a) 0
Burnley (h) -2
Wolves (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (h) 0
Spurs (a) 0
Liverpool -10
Spurs (a) -1
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa (a) +3
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) -3
Wigan (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Villa (h) -3
Bolton (a) 0
Burnley (h) 0
West Ham (a) 0
Hull (h) 0
Chelsea (a) 0
Sunderland (a) -1
Man Utd (h) 0
Fulham (a) -1
Birmingham (h) -2
Man City (h) -2
Everton (a) + 2
Blackburn (a) -2
Villa (a) +3
Wolves (h) 0
Portsmouth (a) -3
Wigan (h) 0
Arsenal (a) 0
Villa -10
Wigan (h) -3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
Liverpool (h) -3
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
United (a) +3
West Ham (a) -1
Liverpool (a) +3
Fulham (h) 0
Birmingham (a) 0
Portsmouth (h) 0
Blackburn (a) -3
City (h) -2
Chelsea (h) 0
Wolves (a) -2
Hull (h) 0
Tottenham (h) -2
Burnley (a) -2
Bolton (h) 0
Everton (a) 0
Liverpool (h) -3
Arsenal (a) 0
Stoke (h) 0
Sunderland (a) +2
United (a) +3
At this point the Premier League table is like this:
Code:
[COLOR="Blue"]1 Chelsea 45
2 Manchester United 43
3 Arsenal 41 -1 game
4 Tottenham Hotspur 37 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]5 Manchester City 35 -1 game
6 Aston Villa 35
7 Liverpool 33
8 Birmingham City 32
9 Fulham 27 -1 game
10 Sunderland 23
11 Everton 22 -1 game
12 Stoke City 21 -1 game [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]13 Blackburn Rovers 21
14 Burnley 20
15 Wolverhampton Wndrs 19
16 Wigan Athletic 19 -1 game
17 West Ham United 18
18 Bolton Wanderers 18 -2 games
19 Hull City 18
20 Portsmouth 14[/COLOR]Updated 31.12.2009
No one's told you, huh. It means we've lost the league for the next three seasons. Automatic 20 point deduction each year until 2013.
Still finishing above liverpool on the Adjusted League Table though.