The Athletic: Bruno Fernandes interview

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We live in a post truth world.
This is why context is your friend rather than a tweet:

“The thing people say about how I wave my arms (negatively) at my team-mates. That has never happened. That is completely a lie.

“I can be using my arms to ask for the ball and to tell them something about where to move the ball. But never do I talk to them in a bad way. Yes, I can shout at someone if they do not pass the ball when he has to do it, or if he does not take the decision in the best way, or if he goes two-v-one and does not pass the ball to his team-mate. Then it is normal to be angry at him.”
 

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This is why context is your friend rather than a tweet:

“The thing people say about how I wave my arms (negatively) at my team-mates. That has never happened. That is completely a lie.

“I can be using my arms to ask for the ball and to tell them something about where to move the ball. But never do I talk to them in a bad way. Yes, I can shout at someone if they do not pass the ball when he has to do it, or if he does not take the decision in the best way, or if he goes two-v-one and does not pass the ball to his team-mate. Then it is normal to be angry at him.”
So the full quote includes him admitting that his opening line is a lie, then.
 

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So the full quote includes him admitting that his opening line is a lie, then.
It's followed directly on from them talking about him moaning at referees so it's pretty clearly a contextual matter where he's saying that he doesn't wave his arms around in the same manner at his team-mates but goes on to say why he might be unhappy in certain situations. It's not unreasonable overall in the context of the interview.
 

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So the full quote includes him admitting that his opening line is a lie, then.
He’s obviously differentiating between waving your arms at someone as an act of frustration/anger after they do something he didn’t like (Cristiano Ronaldo style) and doing so to encourage/direct them while they’re still on the ball (pointing where he wanted Sancho to shoot being an example). He admits to the latter but denies the former.
 

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He is part of a leadership group that also includes first-choice goalkeeper David de Gea and his backup Tom Heaton, the former England international Fernandes says is quietly one of the most important characters in the dressing room.
Normally, I call these the ‘referee zone’,” he says. “Because nobody marks the referee. Sometimes, this is what the coaches say to players who play between the lines, or the wingers who want to come inside, or the striker when he wants to drop. Of course, sometimes the positions are different because it can be a counter-attack, for example.

“It also depends on the way an official referees the game. Mike Dean, for example, ran very centrally, which was probably for him better to see the game, but for us as a No 10, that cannot be our position, so you have to find out where you can go.”

That seems an unusual tactic, but assessing Fernandes’ last Premier League performance, against Arsenal, there are a couple of moments when he seems to follow Paul Tierney’s movement to escape markers.
Two random pieces I thought were interesting.
 

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Two random pieces I thought were interesting.

"Normally, I call these the ‘referee zone’,” he says. “Because nobody marks the referee. Sometimes, this is what the coaches say to players who play between the lines, or the wingers who want to come inside, or the striker when he wants to drop. Of course, sometimes the positions are different because it can be a counter-attack, for example.

“It also depends on the way an official referees the game. Mike Dean, for example, ran very centrally, which was probably for him better to see the game, but for us as a No 10, that cannot be our position, so you have to find out where you can go.”

That seems an unusual tactic, but assessing Fernandes’ last Premier League performance, against Arsenal, there are a couple of moments when he seems to follow Paul Tierney’s movement to escape markers."
I guess this explains why he was poor last season. Jon Moss was reffing half our games.
 

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Really good candid interview. Sometimes the truth is really simple, as is the game, it's about confidence and managing that.

Bruno gets it.
 

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He’s obviously differentiating between waving your arms at someone as an act of frustration/anger after they do something he didn’t like (Cristiano Ronaldo style) and doing so to encourage/direct them while they’re still on the ball (pointing where he wanted Sancho to shoot being an example). He admits to the latter but denies the former.
He’s also very obviously either lying or just wrong. He does the former a lot.
 

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He is a massive moaner - but why do fans give a shit? Rooney loved a moan, so has Ronaldo throughout his career.

None of us know the type of relationship these guys have off the pitch. He might be doing the same in training for all you know & if it's a problem he would've been pulled up by the players and the manager on it.

It's a high pressure/intensity job - you've got to somehow stay in the moment. Some people like to be vocal to stay focused or intense, and others like Martial are generally more quiet. Either is fine.
 

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So the full quote includes him admitting that his opening line is a lie, then.
Pretty much. I don't moan, but when I do...

I've played football with people like that and it's super annoying to listen to, but if you accept that it's probably a coping mechanism for them, you just let them get on with it. Some people can't though, as we've seen with his altercation with Matic.
 

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Pretty much. I don't moan, but when I do...

I've played football with people like that and it's super annoying to listen to, but if you accept that it's probably a coping mechanism for them, you just let them get on with it. Some people can't though, as we've seen with his altercation with Matic.
You're probably not an elite athlete though.
 

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I'm not athlete of any kid, never mind elite. I'm also not sure what your point is.
That your park league probably isn't the same environment as theirs. I think some of you are misunderstanding what he's saying here. When he says he doesn't wave his arms negatively towards his own teammates, it means he bears no ill will, and that sometimes in the heat of the moment people can get frustrated. Like the incident with Malacia, and even to himself when Maguire shouted at him for making a mistake and he shouted back, then after the game he went and apologized.
 

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That your park league probably isn't the same environment as theirs. I think some of you are misunderstanding what he's saying here. When he says he doesn't wave his arms negatively towards his own teammates, it means he bears no ill will, and that sometimes in the heat of the moment people can get frustrated. Like the incident with Malacia, and even to himself when Maguire shouted at him for making a mistake and he shouted back, then after the game he went and apologized.
Well your first sentence is just a banal observation. Yes, the environment is not the same. It doesn't follow from that that it has no similarity to it either. They still breathe oxygen, experience joy when their team scores, frustration when the opponent does. There's no reason why basic psychological dynamic should be vastly different, just because the skill level doubtless is.

He fist denies that he moans at teammates at all, but then proceeds to explain why he might have good reasons to.

That he bears no ill will goes without saying, it's another fatuous remark. Of course you don't expect him to come out saying "by the way, when I moan at teammates, I do it out of utmost malice and spite" when talking to an interviewer. Nobody does that, and nobody accused him of that anyway. In fact I've pointed to a completely different explanation for why he might be doing it. But that he does do it we know.
 

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Following the referee to find space is something I remember Papu Gomez mentioning in an interview. Surprised more players haven't thought of it/brought it up before.
 

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Following the referee to find space is something I remember Papu Gomez mentioning in an interview. Surprised more players haven't thought of it/brought it up before.
He said it's coached I think so I imagine it's quite a common thing but hardly bought up
 

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He’s also very obviously either lying or just wrong. He does the former a lot.
Not really. He generally cuts a frustrated figure on the pitch when we are losing but he is more likely right than wrong.

He remembers the incidents where he has gone at his players and accepts that he does that. He is saying that he is not moaning at his own team. He does sometimes shout or tell teammates off for stuff - but he is okay with others doing that to him as well. His examples with Tyrell and Jadon are mentioned by him.
 

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He is a massive moaner - but why do fans give a shit? Rooney loved a moan, so has Ronaldo throughout his career.

None of us know the type of relationship these guys have off the pitch. He might be doing the same in training for all you know & if it's a problem he would've been pulled up by the players and the manager on it.

It's a high pressure/intensity job - you've got to somehow stay in the moment. Some people like to be vocal to stay focused or intense, and others like Martial are generally more quiet. Either is fine.
I don't care about the moaning. It's the diving and staying on the ground to buy free kicks that annoy me. Fergie managed to get that out if Ronaldos game and hopefully someone does the same for Bruno.
 

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He told Sancho to pass ball to Marcus next time. (Goal Sancho scored against Chelsea) So next time we score goal from offside. Great.
He wasn't offside. He looked it from one angle but he wasn't. I thought this myself but clever posters here proved otherwise.
 
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