The Biden Presidency

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I'd rather watch The Masked Singer than some inaugural shite with a bunch of back-slapping, rich, white libtards.
But enough about the music acts
 

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She talks about the silent majority a lot. At least when Nixon did it they actually showed up and voted Republican.
 

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biden immediately backtracking on the two thousand dollar checks he promised. you love to see it folks
How so?

«With millions still struggling, the initial stimulus package that Mr. Biden will unveil is expected to include money to complete $2,000 direct payments to individuals and aid to small businesses and local and state governments»

This is the last I heard today.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/business/biden-economy.html?referringSource=articleShare
 

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I suppose if they are going to do something this is better than rich ass people having a fancy ball.

As an exercise, who the hell would headline the Trump version of this? Kid Rock, Those White Supremacists kids, and Lil Wayne?
Didn't Ice Cube support Trump? Let him come and do his 90s classics. :cool: (No, not It Was A Good Day.)

Smallest Crowd in HISTORY!
Aaaahhh, such a breath of fresh air not to have Trump quoting his crap and its reporting dominating every event!
 

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complete $2000 means $1400 when he directly said AFTER the $600 went out that we need $2000 checks


That was/has always been implied though, everywhere I read it was $2000 including $600 and every senator that was agreeing to it, said an additional to the $600... When they were trying to pass a standalone bill which McTurtle shot down, that was never for an additional $2k had you already received a $600 one.

Besides most people haven't received the $600 yet, I got the last one ($1200) and now I have to claim it on my 2020 taxes so for people like me it will be a $2000 cheque, there's no way he'll get support for a $2000 + a recently passed $600 one with WV Manchin opposing it, they are about to boost unemployment upto $600 a week and gearing towards shutting us down again.
 

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That was/has always been implied though, everywhere I read it was $2000 including $600 and every senator that was agreeing to it, said an additional to the $600... When they were trying to pass a standalone bill which McTurtle shot down, that was never for an additional $2k had you already received a $600 one.

Besides most people haven't received the $600 yet, I got the last one ($1200) and now I have to claim it on my 2020 taxes so for people like me it will be a $2000 cheque, there's no way he'll get support for a $2000 + a recently passed $600 one with WV Manchin opposing it, they are about to boost unemployment upto $600 a week and gearing towards shutting us down again.
I got the $600 on 12/31. Ossoff and Warnock explicitly campaigned on "if we win the senate you will get $2000 checks". They won the senate and yet here we are.

Biden said 4 days ago! that we need $2000 stimulus checks and is immediately backing off that. The even more important points are:

1) no republican will vote for any democratic stimulus package no matter what it is so they don't have to bargain or stick to whatever Trump wanted.

2) democrats control the house the senate and the presidency. if they don't pass something its because they don't want to pass it. its really that simple.
 

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I got the $600 on 12/31. Ossoff and Warnock explicitly campaigned on "if we win the senate you will get $2000 checks". They won the senate and yet here we are.

Biden said 4 days ago! that we need $2000 stimulus checks and is immediately backing off that. The even more important points are:

1) no republican will vote for any democratic stimulus package no matter what it is so they don't have to bargain or stick to whatever Trump wanted.

2) democrats control the house the senate and the presidency. if they don't pass something its because they don't want to pass it. its really that simple.
With the makeup of the senate it only takes one dissenter, and right now that is Manchin. He did not want the extra $1400, so getting him on board with that is a win. You can rail all you want on Biden and the Senate, but they can't make Manchin, or whoever else vote for it.
 

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With the makeup of the senate it only takes one dissenter, and right now that is Manchin. He did not want the extra $1400, so getting him on board with that is a win. You can rail all you want on Biden and the Senate, but they can't make Manchin, or whoever else vote for it.
Manchin is a member of the democratic caucus in good standing who is appointed to several key committees. The democratic party supported Manchin against a progressive primary challenger. Biden and Schumer and Pelosi don't get to say "oh well i dunno then". This is their guy.
 

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Manchin is a member of the democratic caucus in good standing who is appointed to several key committees. The democratic party supported Manchin against a progressive primary challenger. Biden and Schumer and Pelosi don't get to say "oh well i dunno then". This is their guy.
Because that progressive would have got his/her assed handed to him. Trump won 68% of the vote in WV. The ONLY reason that Manchin is still in his seat is that the people of WV like him. As soon as he retires that seat is going red. The other senator for WV, a republican, won 64% of the vote in 2014 (pre trump!) and 70% in 2020. There is no amount of political pressure that Schumer can put on Manchin. They can bribe him, with WV pork, but thats about it.
 

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With the makeup of the senate it only takes one dissenter, and right now that is Manchin. He did not want the extra $1400, so getting him on board with that is a win. You can rail all you want on Biden and the Senate, but they can't make Manchin, or whoever else vote for it.
Believe it or not, Hawley and Rubio have come out in favor of the 2k checks.
 

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Believe it or not, Hawley and Rubio have come out in favor of the 2k checks.
Is this $1400 + $600 or an additional $2K?

Either way, talk about damage control.
 

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Is this $1400 + $600 or an additional $2K?

Either way, talk about damage control.
They haven't said, which probably means its the lesser number. Loeffler and Perdue also campaigned on it (but they're gone) and Lindsey Graham mentioned he was for it as well (although he's probably even more unreliable than the others). Deb Fischer is another. So at the end of the day Manchin probably won't be the deciding vote on this since at least one or two Rs will vote yes.
 
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They haven't said, which probably means its the lesser number. Loeffler and Perdue also campaigned on (but they're gone) and Lindsey Graham mentioned he was for it as well (although he's probably even more unreliable than the others). Deb Fischer is another. So at the end of the day Manchin probably won't be the deciding vote on this since at least one or two Rs will vote yes.
It still worries me that Manchin is going to effectively be the shadow majority leader for the next 2 years.
 

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Because that progressive would have got his/her assed handed to him. Trump won 68% of the vote in WV. The ONLY reason that Manchin is still in his seat is that the people of WV like him. As soon as he retires that seat is going red. The other senator for WV, a republican, won 64% of the vote in 2014 (pre trump!) and 70% in 2020. There is no amount of political pressure that Schumer can put on Manchin. They can bribe him, with WV pork, but thats about it.
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the last 4 governor's elected in west virginia have been democrats. before manchin, byrd was a democrat who held the seat for 50 years. before capito, rockefeller held the seat for 30 years.
if democrats can no longer win in a state they dominated for almost a century, perhaps they ought to adjust their policies.
 

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if democrats can no longer win in a state they dominated for almost a century, perhaps they ought to adjust their policies.
The current governor is a republican and was reelected this year with 65% of the vote. This state has flipped way red, you can look at the past with it.
 

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The current governor is a republican and was reelected this year with 65% of the vote. This state has flipped way red, you can look at the past with it.
Maybe it would be worth exploring why it has flipped republican and what could be done to flip it back. Im sure Republicans aren't just saying "well gosh I guess Georgia has flipped democratic, nothing we can do".
 

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Maybe it would be worth exploring why it has flipped republican and what could be done to flip it back. Im sure Republicans aren't just saying "well gosh I guess Georgia has flipped democratic, nothing we can do".
Sure, I guess you could try that. I just took a look and Justice won every single county. Even the urban areas. This article does a good job of trying to explain it. My take is that the perceived shift in the Democratic party, along with crushing poverty of a majority white, rural population, is driving this. I also think that a state so dependent on coal and mining is going to be a hard sell for a party that is, rightly, focused on climate change and a move away from those things.

West Virginia: How the Bluest State Became the Reddest (nbcnews.com)
 

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Sure, I guess you could try that. I just took a look and Justice won every single county. Even the urban areas. This article does a good job of trying to explain it. My take is that the perceived shift in the Democratic party, along with crushing poverty of a majority white, rural population, is driving this. I also think that a state so dependent on coal and mining is going to be a hard sell for a party that is, rightly, focused on climate change and a move away from those things.

West Virginia: How the Bluest State Became the Reddest (nbcnews.com)
That's a good article.

Government, he said, is viewed as a tool of elites and a “malevolent force out to do us harm.
This is 100% the correct view

Is there a future for the Democratic Party in West Virginia? If there is, it may come through using government as a tool. Even as voters say they distrust Washington, people still express a strong desire for government spending — especially Trump supporters — for the roads and other infrastructure that can aid a place where private sector jobs are fleeing.
And this is a path to fixing it. Actually giving people a reason to vote Democratic. Actually giving them something, anything, in exchange for their vote. But instead it's just voter shaming and "learn to code".
 

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Manchin is a member of the democratic caucus in good standing who is appointed to several key committees. The democratic party supported Manchin against a progressive primary challenger. Biden and Schumer and Pelosi don't get to say "oh well i dunno then". This is their guy.
Would the primary challenger had won in a state that Trump won twice by 30 points?

(Not that it matters anyway, Manchin would have won even without any endorsement).

NB: I see that you replied to a similar post. The only way for Democrats to win a senate seat in that state with someone not being called Joe Manchin is to adjust their policies. Like going to the right of GOP. Manchin is one of the best net positives Dems have considering that he wins a state that is as red as it can get. Senators who are just slightly to the left of him but who come from deep blue states (Feinstein for example) are net negatives.