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Played one game together and its the end of the world. Bloody hell.
????KdB... don't lose the ball often
Awful :/
We have the highest net spent in the world over the last 5 years, and one of the highest salaries.With Glazers, it’s hard. We have no money to make strategic investments on those very promising but already very capable young players.
You might be surprised to learn that we played a few preseason games too where the exact same scenario of getting overrun in midfield happened time and again.Played one game together and its the end of the world. Bloody hell.
While i agree, not many in the world can, if any.Casemiro just isn't mobile enough to hold down the midfield on his own when other teams break at pace and our attackers played so poorly and gave away the ball so unpredictably against Wolves that he was put in that position too often.
Which was not the case yesterday. It was a 6 and two 10s. No 6 in the world can function well like that. Even in case of City who probably have the best DMF in the world, he had Gundogan to help him, and Stones was effectively a midfielder. Casemiro had no one to help him yesterday.Casemiro works in a 4231 but can't work in a 433 with a 6 and two 8's. He gets forward to often leaving us exposed. We need someone who sits back and dictates tempo.
Not to mention they press so much better and keep the ball so much better.Which was not the case yesterday. It was a 6 and two 10s. No 6 in the world can function well like that. Even in case of City who probably have the best DMF in the world, he had Gundogan to help him, and Stones was effectively a midfielder. Casemiro had no one to help him yesterday.
Money should have been utilised on a backup DM & DLP instead of wastedPlayed one game together and its the end of the world. Bloody hell.
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Replace Eriksen with McT, would it work, no right? It won't work because Mount is not half the passer Eriksen is, and he is not playing deeper like Eriksen did last year.On second thoughts, what exactly has changed since last season? If Bruno - Case - Eriksen worked , then this will also work. just give it some time. Yes, it won't work against everyone but I would like to believe yesterday was an exception rather than a norm.
Nunes was prime modric yesterday. So lets give some credit to Wolves too.
I believe Shaw was the inverted fullback last night but it didn’t really work as Garnacho lost the ball so often on the left hand side. Pre-Season I saw Martinez moving into midfield so no idea why that didn’t happen last night, that would have solved Casemiro being isolated so often.Why can't we just follow the trend of playing one of our full back into DM during in game? As pioneer, Pep/City did that very well last season with such innovative move, and I have already notice couple of other top teams following same tactic at the start of this season (Arsenal playing Partey as RB/DM hybrid role in their first game, while Liverpool also playing TAA as RB/DM hybrid at times too.
Dalot/AWB CasemiroThis way Casemiro wont get isolated and surrounded by 5 opponents or something. And we could also continue to play Bruno Mount to support our attack and do their pressing in final third.
Bruno Mount
Casemiro Shaw
Bruno Mount
Watched every game. How many minutes did all 3 get together? Surprisingly little.You might be surprised to learn that we played a few preseason games too where the exact same scenario of getting overrun in midfield happened time and again.
And you are saying this based on 1 game? Did you also think Eriksen- McT- Bruno won't work after Brentford thrashing last year?I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Replace Eriksen with McT, would it work, no right? It won't work because Mount is not half the passer Eriksen is, and he is not playing deeper like Eriksen did last year.
Ha! You saved me having to say the same thing.Watched every game. How many minutes did all 3 get together? Surprisingly little.
Watched every game. How many minutes did all 3 get together? Surprisingly little.
Lens did it multiple times where they were running at Casemiro and defense. So to me yesterday was a continuation of what we saw against Real and Lens.Ha! You saved me having to say the same thing.
Leeds - 4231, Mount as the only #10, no Bruno or Casemiro, not overrun
Lyon - 4231, Mount as the only #10, no Bruno or Casemiro, not overrun
Arsenal - 4231, Mount and Mainoo at #6, Bruno as the only #10, not overrun
Real - 4231, Casemiro and Mainoo/Eriksen at #6, Mount at #10, Bruno on the right, we were overrun but not in the formation we played on Monday
Dortmund - 433, the first time Casmeiro, Mount and Bruno played in a 3, only on the pitch for 30 minutes, 65% possession, not overrun
Lens- 433, Casmeiro, Mount and Bruno played in a 3, played the full 90, 62% possession, not overrun
What a stupid suggestion. You don’t like a player so you make him captainIts clear ten hag doesnt rate fernandes and is biding his time before he removes him from the starting 11.
And pre-season.And you are saying this based on 1 game? Did you also think Eriksen- McT- Bruno won't work after Brentford thrashing last year?
Thankfully, we didn't try to rely on that midfield for the rest of the season but instead bought one of the best DMs in the world afterwards. Because yeah, everyone thought that Eriksen-McT-Bruno wouldn't work.Did you also think Eriksen- McT- Bruno won't work after Brentford thrashing last year?
McTominay didn't start the Brentford away game. Fred was the DM.And you are saying this based on 1 game? Did you also think Eriksen- McT- Bruno won't work after Brentford thrashing last year?
Bruno is petulant, it is maybe ten hags way of trying to get him to keep a cool head. There is a reason he shoe horns his so called best attacking player to the wings all the time to accommodate less talented players. He did it again last night but put him on the left. I dont get it. So this is my reason i wrote the comment.What a stupid suggestion. You don’t like a player so you make him captain
Exactly. Yes that midfield did not work well. But you would expect our forwards to both keep the ball much better and to track back much more to help out the midfielders. It was bleedin obvious to anyone that there was a problem. Only Antony did it a few times. It was better when Eriksen came on.All our forwards are guity of giving the ball away far too often, there has to be some level of protection and Casemiro cannot do it on his own.
The point wasn't about a player but the formation and similar players.Thankfully, we didn't try to rely on that midfield for the rest of the season but instead bought one of the best DMs in the world afterwards. Because yeah, everyone thought that Eriksen-McT-Bruno wouldn't work.
Ok thanks. But the point standsMcTominay didn't start the Brentford away game. Fred was the DM.
Eredivisie and Gravenberch can actually play in midfield. He's an 8 who could even play as a 6 (not very good in that role). Think Berghuis is relatively far more composed than Bruno as well, for that level.Any Ajax watcher here? How is this midfield different from Alvarez - Gravenberch - Berghuis that ETH used at Ajax
Ehm, the tactical formation? Eriksen was playing alongside Casemiro, not as an auxiliary forward like both Mount and Bruno did yesterday.On second thoughts, what exactly has changed since last season? If Bruno - Case - Eriksen worked , then this will also work. just give it some time. Yes, it won't work against everyone but I would like to believe yesterday was an exception rather than a norm.
Nunes was prime modric yesterday. So lets give some credit to Wolves too.
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What do you mean here? I was under the impression Gravenberch and Berghuis both pushed high up, leaving Alvarez isolated just like Mount and Bruno with CasemiroEredivisie and Gravenberch can actually play in midfield. He's an 8 who could even play as a 6 (not very good in that role). Think Berghuis is relatively far more composed than Bruno as well, for that level.
Bruno is ofcourse 10x the player.