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Off james Allen on Twitter - Media voices around the world suggest Raikkonen in talks with Mercedes about dramatic comeback. Is it real or urban myth?
i thought he has gonna go rallying?Off james Allen on Twitter - Media voices around the world suggest Raikkonen in talks with Mercedes about dramatic comeback. Is it real or urban myth?
Yawn.Wouldnt surprise me, Raikkonen is after a paycheck.
Sounds like Brawn/Mercedes wanted him gone in actual fact. Eddie Jordan confirmed this on 5Live this morning and said the last thing it was about was money.Fair enough, but it was about the money. Maybe "a little" was an understatement, but the fact remains he's left the current World Champions because he wants more money.
Right back at ya. He priced himself out of the McLaren drive simply because he wants a normal salary on top of what Ferrari are paying him, and all teams know it. I like Raikkonen, don't think that I dont but the guy should go race rally then I have a reason to watch it again.Yawn.
The question about loyalty is a bit annoying, Jenson stuck with Honda through some fecking woeful days to try to criticise it now is a little sour grapes.Q&A with Nick Fry
Could be face-saving by Fry
I hate it when all the facts are hidden like this, and you have to speculate, hopefully someone like Eddie Jordan will spill the beans
A team mate he hasn't got a hope in hell of beating. Lets cut the bullshit Brad, his world title win was an absolute fluke in a similar sense to that young Canadian 12 years ago. There was nothing amazing about it. He was in the best car on the grid 'by large margin' and then when the competition caught up, looked average. He should be rightly spanked by Hamilton.3) He's the current World Champion, and I'm sure he has the self belief as a result to back himself against his new team mate
He did drive very well at the start, but lost the plot when the car stopped working the way he wanted it to. Its all well and good to be fast when the car is with you, but if you can't make the car work, then your a fairly average driver. The reason why drivers like Raikkonen, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton are/were the top four on the f1 grid. Rubens is the same as Button, just look at his Ferrari days. Michael had the all round skill to make the car work 'some of his closer races', while Rubens fluttered around in 4th and 5th.He did have a car advantage yes, but he still drove very well. And he looked far from average in Brazil.
One thing is for sure though, if things go his way next year there will be a lot of people left looking rather silly.
I agree he's got a superior team mate now. Not a hope in hell of beating? You'd think not, but time will tell. This is F1, all it takes is a couple of retirements and you could be 20 points ahead of your team mate (or two gold medals ahead )A team mate he hasn't got a hope in hell of beating. Lets cut the bullshit Brad, his world title win was an absolute fluke in a similar sense to that young Canadian 12 years ago. There was nothing amazing about it. He was in the best car on the grid 'by large margin' and then when the competition caught up, looked average. He should be rightly spanked by Hamilton.
Rumours of Danica Patrick have been around a long time. She's glamorous, young, and actually a pretty good driver. I wouldn't be completely shocked to see her tip up in a Mercedes team looking to make its mark on the world - and I see no other reason why Nick Fry would specify the he or she.Nick Fry said:whoever he or she will be
Yeh, but he's a better driver than a thirty-seven year old Barichello well into the twilight of his career. I'm not denying that.He had the same car as Barrichello, and he absolutely battered him early on
Whether the cars great or not, you still have to perform, and you still have to get the car home first
Button did that hands down. He cashed in like a true champion does
What a strange and bizarre notion that a championship victory is a fluke if you have the best car! That's plenty of Schumacher's F1 career down the tube then! Besides the point, he didn't have the best car for the whole season, far from it in that second half. And yet he kept pumping the points finishes in
Seems some people who've shown prior for having an issue with Button before just can't put down those sour grapes just yet...
The difference is, even when the Ferrari was having off days 'and there was a good few in his dominant years', he could bring in his natural ability and outdrive others around him in an inferior car. You always knew the Ferrari was by far the best car on the grid on any given day when Rubens was following Michael most of the way, if not, then the class between the two drivers really started showing.As for saying his title victory was a fluke... what a load of nonsense. Unless I'm allowed to say all Schumacher's victories, when he had the best car by a mile, were a fluke too?
McLaren don't have the financial muscle of Mercedes behind them any more, so I don't think its clear what they can and cannot 'well afford' just yet. And Brawn reportedly offered him more money than he's getting from McLaren.The point that you forgetting is that Jenson is "only" on 6 million pounds per year. Jaques 5 years "5 fecking years" after his one and only world title, was earning 23 million pounds a season. A team like McLaren 'who can well afford that kind of salary', don't see that kind of investment in him 'Button'. The fact that Brawn wouldn't match a 'relatively' poultry 6 million pounds for a WDC speaks enough in itself.
Far from it CD, it's usually me that gets accused of having an agendaYeh, but he's a better driver than a thirty-seven year old Barichello well into the twilight of his career. I'm not denying that.
And you can't mention the points in the second half of the season as if consistently finishing behind your competitors is an achievement of some such!
With Schumacher, you're right - he often had the best car by far and that made things very, very boring. But the difference there is when he wasn't in the best car he still won races, challenged for titles, even won some. Button, on the other hand, became anonymous with middling-point finishes as soon as the car wasn't the best on the grid anymore.
And there you go again with your last statement, Brad. Someone disagrees with you - they must have an agenda!
All it speaks about is a team with restricted operating costs, nothing more.A team like McLaren 'who can well afford that kind of salary', don't see that kind of investment in him 'Button'. The fact that Brawn wouldn't match a 'relatively' poultry 6 million pounds for a WDC speaks enough in itself.
Given the guy took a pay cut last season so his team could exist, and had previous bought out his own contract at Williams just so he could drive a competitive (so he thought) car... the accusations of him being a money grabbing leach are just so far of the mark it's laughable!McLaren don't have the financial muscle of Mercedes behind them any more, so I don't think its clear what they can and cannot 'well afford' just yet. And Brawn reportedly offered him more money than he's getting from McLaren.
Indeed.Given the guy took a pay cut last season so his team could exist, and had previous bought out his own contract at Williams just so he could drive a competitive (so he thought) car... the accusations of him being a money grabbing leach are just so far of the mark it's laughable!
From what i'm aware, the McLaren Mercedes deal hasn't changed at all. You can almost bet your house that the engine going in to the new McLaren has Mercedes loins.McLaren don't have the financial muscle of Mercedes behind them any more, so I don't think its clear what they can and cannot 'well afford' just yet. And Brawn reportedly offered him more money than he's getting from McLaren.
I'm not calling him a money grubbing leach, but a world champion should be offered more '& ask for more' then what he's getting.Given the guy took a pay cut last season so his team could exist, and had previous bought out his own contract at Williams just so he could drive a competitive (so he thought) car... the accusations of him being a money grabbing leach are just so far of the mark it's laughable!
LinkyEddie Jordan just said on 5live Michael Schumacher will drive for Ross Brawn Mercedes next year.
Mercedes will still supply engines to McLaren until 2015From what i'm aware, the McLaren Mercedes deal hasn't changed at all. You can almost bet your house that the engine going in to the new McLaren has Mercedes loins.
Mercedes have sold (or are selling) back their 40% stake in the team. Their engines will still power the cars but with McLaren as a customer that's all. Mercedes do not provide financial backing there any more.From what i'm aware, the McLaren Mercedes deal hasn't changed at all. You can almost bet your house that the engine going in to the new McLaren has Mercedes loins.
i'm guessing that they wont get as many top engines (in the sense they don't get first choice for them)Mercedes have sold (or are selling) back their 40% stake in the team. Their engines will still power the cars but with McLaren as a customer that's all. Mercedes do not provide financial backing there any more.