Agree to disagree then.
If you were born in 91, you have zero recollection about the '92 Barcelona Olympics and the 1992 USA Dream Team, Jordan's time at UNC, his battles with the Pistons and Celtics, then his rise to un-rarified Air.
I agree you don't need to be winning championships all the time to be considered a dynasty, but there's a considerable amount of weight in winning the entire thing when considering yourself a dynasty. However, yes, I agree with you that there are dominant, if not just consistent teams/organizations for many years and the Patriots and Spurs are easily included in that space.
Sorry, I meant in terms of how fascinating the dynasties were. The Brady/Belichick Pats and Pop/Duncan Spurs were notoriously boring in real life, though the Pats do have some of the most legendary postseason games.
Agree on the dynasty definition - QB/Coach is all you need to define it in NFL, hell reasonable a QB is all you need, it is after all the most key singular position in sports, add a coach and it's clearly the whole time - it's just got sub era's in there, the 'Gronk' era being peak clearly despite the 3 in 4.
Can't fault them for losing against one of the greatest teams of all-time
As dynasty rankings, I can agree on that for sure. The Kobe/Shaq relationship just wasn't sustainable, that was fully on the players theirselves. On the peak of their powers though, I think not many of those teams you mentioned would be able to handle Shaq in his prime at all. The Bulls would probably be the best candidate just because they had Jordan.
He was a VP in the front office first so that may have influenced his official low salaryAs dynasty rankings, I can agree on that for sure. The Kobe/Shaq relationship just wasn't sustainable, that was fully on the players theirselves. On the peak of their powers though, I think not many of those teams you mentioned would be able to handle Shaq in his prime at all. The Bulls would probably be the best candidate just because they had Jordan.
Didn't know Jordan came back for so little with the Wizard. Maybe he was already earning billions based on his brand by then
Yeah it's insular US sports fans being insular. There are a bunch of sportsmen/women who also belong in that Jordan tier
I remember collecting sticker books in the UK in the 90's of the NBA .... that right there, is influence. Forget that he casually made a film.
IMO, he's on another level to them let alone comparable.
Yeah think I expressed myself wrong, I didn't mean it as in "wow, you can compare him to those guys?" but rather "are those guys the only other athletes ever that you can compare to Jordan?".
Personally, I think there's three others that you can compare him too. Schumacher, Woods and Sir Alex. They all share that win at all costs trait - feck anybody that gets in my way and do it for an entire career. You could probaby add Armstrong to that group as well but I think people get a little touchy about that one.
Dunno, only watched Ep 3 so far but at least to me, he kind of came across as a lost young man who just struggled to cope with all the off-the-field distractions of the NBA spotlight, and acted out as a way of handling it. In that regard, him colouring his hair and stuff seemed to me like a "coping mechanism" to be able to tell himself that he could still do whatever he wanted.
Literally every sportsman believes their own hype. If they don't, they wouldn't get that high. Ronaldo and Messi both do, Mayweather and Ali both had it, Federer has it, Tiger has it, LeBron has openly claimed it about himself etc etc
“He’s a real mother******” as a sort of compliment might have been invented because of him. It‘s used to describe people that are so competitive it’s almost insane. You hate them at times, but can’t deny they’re great. Tom Brady and Tiger come to mind immediately...Kobe and CR7 definitely as well.
I get the elite mentality. For me though Jordan always seems offish in clips with fans.
Yeah - maybe i misworded my gripe. I get that he buys his hype and has that competitive streak. That alone is fine, and i even respect it. But when that translates to being a douche to fans wanting a pic / autograph, because you're "above that" - that's where i have the problem.
I need more information on Gretzky, in that I know who he is and watched the 30 for 30 on him but not his overall career. I question his move to the Kings. He didn't win the Stanley Cup there, is that see as a blemish on his career?
I remember seeing that clip. Thought the guy was completely in the wrong there as he was working in some official capacity. Wtf is he asking Jordan for an autograph in that moment?
And theres also absolutely endless shots of him making the effort for fans - especially kids. You could get almost any sportsman shrugging off doing signatures. It's not something Jordan has been heavily critisized for to be fair. These 'refusal' criticisms any celeb gets should always be put in context. Bare in mind, MJ was the biggest sportsman in American by a landslide that has never been known since.
