The moaning in the article I shared wasn’t just about the accent being crap. It was about the Irish accent being used for filthy hobbit peasants, while the English accent was assigned to aristocratic elves and nobles. Slightly dubious decision considering the history between the two nations.
That article is more about the representation of Ireland/Celtic people than just saying the accents aren’t good enough though. The accents being crap on their own is a superficial issue I don’t think anyone is losing sleep over.
You are right. Apologies for the error. Thank you for the correction.
There's that too, especially as I believe High Elves in Tolkien's works are generally considered very similar to Celts?
Yeah, yer man made that same point in the article.
As the others have added, it's less about the inconsistency of the accents and more about the optics of having the high classy races speaking in a posh English accent, and then having the less civilised and cultured lot speak with an Irish based accent. I don't think anyone's particularly worked up about it, but it's worth mentioning as it's been a longstanding trope with grim origins.
I guess the inconsistency is what got them off the hook.
It's no co-incidence that Tolkien described Elves as looking like the Norman ideal, while Sam the Gardener looked anglo-saxon. Or that his orcs all spoke with cockney accents. It's all baked into his cake.
Yeah, I’ve been told the gist of what else is behind that paywall now, and also linked to some of the curriculum from my linguistics course talking about how how this goes back as far as early Disney cartoons and the film industry since.
Yeah apologies, I was going to edit my post as I missed two of your posts some how but saw them after I’d posted
Differing tones, styles and personal preference I'll allow but I can't concede on quality. There's nary a ring strong enough, in all of Middle Earth, to thwart the Goblin King's codpiece.
that'd be greatSir Ian Mckellen is from Lancs, almost was
Because Harfoots were a "breed" of Hobbits. Think they all were seperate and in different locations in the 2nd age, but by the third age they all intertwined, so I guess makes sense that.. maybe or maybe I'm just trying to explain two different adaptations..
Sorry got that wrong that's why deleted my post.
No worries.
The cgi was a biy ropey, no?
I mentioned noticing that and the way it meshes with Tolkien’s genesis story earlier in this thread. Didn’t know the name of those boards though. Cool read giving an explanation for the effect.
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I'd take the ugly bumbling of Bakshi over the insipid, middlebrow clodding by Villeneuve.
Are we talking books or movies? Either way, no.
The CGI in that scene was laughably bad.
American Werewolf in London kind of stuff
Apparently Quenya leans heavily on Finnish, so maybe they should cast Finns in the Elvish parts?
I'll confine myself to stating I'm really not a fantasy aficionado (I didn't even read Tolkien until after I watched The Fellowship), and leave you to draw your own conclusions about how it's not really necessary to take me seriously, rather than lock horns over that assessment.
I know a lot of people love those films (and books, where applicable).I'm sticking with it, but can't say I'm overly wrapped up in it. As you mentioned, there's a lot to be desired in the overall script, casting and acting quality. It lacks the charm of LoTR which genuinely makes you care about what happens, here I'm struggling to really get behind anyone. Overall though, for the most expensive TV show of all time, I'm generally underwhelmed and left wondering where exactly all the money went. Even the things you'd expect an Amazon production to do excellently aren't that great.
In football, we talk about "the eye test". For this one, I think makes sense to have the "care test" - how much does it feel like I care about the characters and what happens next? Does it feel important? Do I believe in these people, as something other than something scriptwriters have done because they have to fill the minutes of a tv show? With LOTR, I did believe in them and it did feel important what happened - I emotionally tapped into things like the siege of Minas Tirith, because the story and the characters convinced me to.
So would I but I was referring to the books
Not seen the show but if we're talking about the books then ... no!
Books are for losers. Peake is my guy in all this nonsense.
I always preferred the grande, mythological fantasy over the low fantasy (well, low with dragons) that aims to be grim, brutal and "realistic". Game of Thrones was awesome (the first half anyway), because we hadn't seen the everyone can die at any time thing in mainstream TV before, but in the end, I actually prefer the good guys winning and the bad guys dying
I like them both, but the genre tends to be, as with everything, very fashion and success led. GRRM led to Joe Abercrombie, Bakker and co all working within the same style, or taking that brutality of ASOIAF and going even further. Sanderson is doing something a bit different, though the last couple of his Stormlight Archive read like overly verbose explorations of mental health issues. He tells a good story but the writing is super functional.I always preferred the grande, mythological fantasy over the low fantasy (well, low with dragons) that aims to be grim, brutal and "realistic". Game of Thrones was awesome (the first half anyway), because we hadn't seen the everyone can die at any time thing in mainstream TV before, but in the end, I actually prefer the good guys winning and the bad guys dying
Not sold on WoT there seemed to be too much missing from it including a lot of the acting. Still, hope it improves.
