Television The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

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They went with absolute bottom of the barrel.

Jungle Cruise, a B movie based on a Disney themepark ride being the pinnacle of their careers.
 
BootsyCollins said:
Are they going to release season 2?

Might be better to just scrap it and forget it ever was made.
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Didn‘t they even (say they had to) raise the price for Prime for it? :lol:

which reminds me to cancel that shite
 
As some others already mentioned: It's the opposite of a fine wine. The more you think about it and the more time passes the more you realise that this has been utterly wank. Trying to milk this fantastic franchise that much without even having the proper rights to do so, mixing it all with as much political correctness as possible whilst also making sure that even 3 years olds are able to watch it makes for a horrible view.
 
Godfather said:
As some others already mentioned: It's the opposite of a fine wine. The more you think about it and the more time passes the more you realise that this has been utterly wank. Trying to milk this fantastic franchise that much without even having the proper rights to do so, mixing it all with as much political correctness as possible whilst also making sure that even 3 years olds are able to watch it makes for a horrible view.
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Sure, but this bit is bollocks.
 
Godfather said:
I disagree but it's certainly not the worst part of it.
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I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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Yeah I really don't take any offense in more inclusion at all but the focus should have been on... well making a better show.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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Do you get uncomfortable watching a non white fantasy film without a hint of a white person to be found?
not looking for a fight just genuinely curious.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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I do feel the "political correctness" and inclusion naysayers exaggerate a bit. People will get used to all wakes of characters so long as the characters are good and the writing works. The fans protested having black Valerians in the new GoT but got over it fairly quickly. Same as John Boyega in Star Wars. initially they were hating but then wanted him to have a better arc as he is a good solid actor, but felt Disney did too little with him
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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I liked the mixed cast though I thought a black elf needed some kind of in story explanation. I can head canon the rest.
 
Eplel said:
Come on, the "elfs will steal our jobs" was not really subtle.
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It was fecking terrible. If there is one fantasy universe where this stuff feels hamfisted in it is this. Gandalfs "I am goooooood!" Is one of the worst lines I've ever witnessed considering the standard set by Tolkien
 
Gehrman said:
It was fecking terrible. If there is one fantasy universe where this stuff feels hamfisted in it is this. Gandalfs "I am goooooood!" Is one of the worst lines I've ever witnessed considering the standard set by Tolkien
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The majority of the dialogue was fine. Being a book nerd I quite enjoyed all the subtle references and the use of different languages as we didn't really get much of that in the films and was utterly abandoned in the horrific hobbit films.

They had good ideas and did some things well but ultimately they were let down by crappy writers (like most of Hollywood) and some poor decisions in the marketing.

It wasn't a horrific show, I've seen many worse but it was deeply frustrating as a book nerd. I felt compelled to defend the show from the abuse it got from arseholes online. It brought the worst out of some people.

Just wish these shows actually had competent people that understand how to write story's. The entire Sauron arc in this show made no sense, at all.
 
RedSky said:
The majority of the dialogue was fine. Being a book nerd I quite enjoyed all the subtle references and the use of different languages as we didn't really get much of that in the films and was utterly abandoned in the horrific hobbit films.

They had good ideas and did some things well but ultimately they were let down by crappy writers (like most of Hollywood) and some poor decisions in the marketing.

It wasn't a horrific show, I've seen many worse but it was deeply frustrating as a book nerd. I felt compelled to defend the show from the abuse it got from arseholes online. It brought the worst out of some people.

Just wish these shows actually had competent people that understand how to write story's. The entire Sauron arc in this show made no sense, at all.
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All they need was a proper editor tbh.
 
Gehrman said:
All they need was a proper editor tbh.
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Nah, the crucial story arc made no sense.

You have Galadriel who had spent years, I think possibly decades tracking down Sauron. Only to be forced to give up that mission, to then jump off the boat to her 'heaven' and swim away to then meet up with the enemy she'd been sinking on a boat. That then got eaten by a sea monster for him to rescue her? (Why was he even on the boat in the first place). To then go to Numenor to become a blacksmith to then give that up because Galadriel asked him to go back... To then go back to Middle Earth to fight a battle against his own creations. To be wounded so badly it needed specialised medicine so therefore got sent to the elves whereby after being healed managed to persuade the famed and ingenious Elven blacksmith to try a very obvious blacksmithing technique so he could create a bunch of rings on the fly and create the master ring.

Its a load of shite. It makes everyone seem so incompetent, including Sauron himself. We as viewers never understood his motives either, did he always intend on forging the rings and this was his plan to gain access to the Elves? Did he actually want to be good and then got tempted back to the dark side? None of it was made clear. If your main bad guy needs a whole host of lucky encounters to achieve his goal you know the plot is a load of crap. Its what pissed me off the most, the Sauron/Galadriel arc which is the most important part of the show was so badly written.
 
RedSky said:
Nah, the crucial story arc made no sense.

You have Galadriel who had spent years, I think possibly decades tracking down Sauron. Only to be forced to give up that mission, to then jump off the boat to her 'heaven' and swim away to then meet up with the enemy she'd been sinking on a boat. That then got eaten by a sea monster for him to rescue her? (Why was he even on the boat in the first place). To then go to Numenor to become a blacksmith to then give that up because Galadriel asked him to go back... To then go back to Middle Earth to fight a battle against his own creations. To be wounded so badly it needed specialised medicine so therefore got sent to the elves whereby after being healed managed to persuade the famed and ingenious Elven blacksmith to try a very obvious blacksmithing technique so he could create a bunch of rings on the fly and create the master ring.

Its a load of shite. It makes everyone seem so incompetent, including Sauron himself. We as viewers never understood his motives either, did he always intend on forging the rings and this was his plan to gain access to the Elves? Did he actually want to be good and then got tempted back to the dark side? None of it was made clear. If your main bad guy needs a whole host of lucky encounters to achieve his goal you know the plot is a load of crap. Its what pissed me off the most, the Sauron/Galadriel arc which is the most important part of the show was so badly written.
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You just ruined Tolkiens universe for me.
 
RedSky said:
Nah, the crucial story arc made no sense.

You have Galadriel who had spent years, I think possibly decades tracking down Sauron. Only to be forced to give up that mission, to then jump off the boat to her 'heaven' and swim away to then meet up with the enemy she'd been sinking on a boat. That then got eaten by a sea monster for him to rescue her? (Why was he even on the boat in the first place). To then go to Numenor to become a blacksmith to then give that up because Galadriel asked him to go back... To then go back to Middle Earth to fight a battle against his own creations. To be wounded so badly it needed specialised medicine so therefore got sent to the elves whereby after being healed managed to persuade the famed and ingenious Elven blacksmith to try a very obvious blacksmithing technique so he could create a bunch of rings on the fly and create the master ring.

Its a load of shite. It makes everyone seem so incompetent, including Sauron himself. We as viewers never understood his motives either, did he always intend on forging the rings and this was his plan to gain access to the Elves? Did he actually want to be good and then got tempted back to the dark side? None of it was made clear. If your main bad guy needs a whole host of lucky encounters to achieve his goal you know the plot is a load of crap. Its what pissed me off the most, the Sauron/Galadriel arc which is the most important part of the show was so badly written.
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Most importantly "just follow your nose" makes no fecking sense when you're sat on top of a hill.
 
RedSky said:
Casting was really good. Let down by just plain bad writing.
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Casting didn't work for me for a lot of different reasons but that can't be divorced from the writing. Bottom line is that they were hamstrung by a plot constructed around a bunch of notes that were never meant to be a story. The whole thing was ill conceived. But even taking that in to account they did it quite badly. The big reveal was so heavily telegraphed you'd have to have been blind not to see it coming. And yet it made no sense either.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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I have no idea what legolas surfing down a trunk has to do with race but I had no issue with the casting.

As for the TV show, it was fairly shite overall and completely shown up by that game of thrones spin off, but the casting and portrayal of elrond was an absolute farce, was like a character assassination.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
I like to see a mixed cast, I find it slightly uncomfortable that the only hint of a non-white person in the movie trilogy is the evil Easterlings. It's not untrue to the text and reflects the world Tolkien grew up in, but that film was made in 1999 and included Legalos surfing down an Olyphant, so some inclusion would be far from the least stupid modern addition.

I do, however, think the female dwarfs in TROP should have had proper beards.
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I get your point, but looking at the premise that ROP is a prequel to the LOTR movies this now suggests that there was an ethnical cleansing of elves, dwarves and hobbits that made them all get rid of their black people. That makes me truly uncomfortable.

I would have liked much more to just include a good Haradrim as part of the main cast to get diversity.
 
Was it worse than Hobbit films or equal?

Watched only 1st Hobbit move and it was enough for me. How do you make up 3 films out of one book, by inventing stuff I guess. Didnt want to watch any further so it doesnt ruin a truly great book for me.
 
Real Name said:
Was it worse than Hobbit films or equal?

Watched only 1st Hobbit move and it was enough for me. How do you make up 3 films out of one book, by inventing stuff I guess. Didnt want to watch any further so it doesnt ruin a great book for me.
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i made it a bit further than the first film, but gave up when the dwarves ran a train on bilbo, after getting gay dragon sickness in the mountain.
 
The dwarf and the elf were not the problem with the show. Great characters and great actor and actress, honestly.
But the problems with the show were insurmountable.
Galadriel's entire arc was terrible.
Sauron plus the reveal was "ok"
...but the Elven architect arc was rushed and poorly done. That should have been the crux of the writing.
The maga rally was horrendous - the Numenoreon "elves took urrr jobbbbs" bit was so predictable and on the nose my eyes rolled into the back of my skull.
They wasted the incredibly interesting elf/Uruk Hai guy. He was by far the most interesting part of the entire thing and he was gone too soon.
It was meandering and a complete failure to find the spirit of Tolkien's work.
It didn't LOOK like they'd spent the money they did on it. See: The creator being made at a fraction of the cost but looking far, far better that the Rings of Power. Bit embarrassing for Amazon.
 
rimaldo said:
i made it a bit further than the first film, but gave up when the dwarves ran a train on bilbo, after getting gay dragon sickness in the mountain.
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There were some battles in 2nd or 3rd move I think.

Battles in The Hobbit.

Really?

Come of it.
 
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