I don't think he's lost the players as much as some people hope he has, but there are some big personalities in that dressing room, and it does feel like a castle built on sand right now.
The manager has lost the players
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When should these players actually take some blame for their performances which are well below the level we are paying them at?
Putting football's equivalent of Captain Bligh in charge of the club might not be the best idea. Unless the club wants a mutiny on its hands.
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God I hope you’re wrong. We’ve not only got the best squad we’ve had in years but we actually have a top squad that’s comparable to the best around right now.
Currently there is little or no evidence whatsoever that Ole is good enough. Gradually his supporters are seeing this now. Sad really, I wanted him to succeed and o like the squad he’s built but it’s been blatantly clear for a while that he isn’t capable of steering the team forward and I’d actually suggest it’s become clearer as our squad has got more world class talent in.
"A football club is like a woman. One leaves when one has nothing more to say" (E. Cantona).
Don't think he has lost the players at all. The team is unbalanced and don't look well coached… and are underperforming. They look like a group of talented individuals rather than a team.
If it continues there will need to be a change but we need to solve how we fit the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo into the side alongside Bruno.
If it continues there will need to be a change but we need to solve how we fit the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo into the side alongside Bruno.
This could have been posted in any of the Ole threads, but this one will do...
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer: 'It is time to ask the question: Is Man Utd boss up to the job?’
by Phil McNulty, Chief football writer BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58942621
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer: 'It is time to ask the question: Is Man Utd boss up to the job?’
by Phil McNulty, Chief football writer BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58942621
I don't think Ole could ever lose the players in the way some managers do.
He's too nicey in general and doesn't ever dig them out in public.
He's too nicey in general and doesn't ever dig them out in public.
Just a reminder, we’ve signed Maguire, Varane, AWB, Sancho, Ronaldo, Bruno and VDB, while having a squad already with Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba and Shaw, AND STILL, we look like absolute dogshit. The proverbial straws that some of you Ole mob are clutching on to, bloody hell.
Great stuff, I feel even worse now
I saw someone saying the new manager would need to be "backed"
Losing the fans at Old Trafford would be a big moment. That four game run at home last month lost a lot of goodwill. If Liverpool do some damage it could get toxic.
Today was the day i cracked too, gb.
I love Ole and have been a huge advocate of his. But we are being out-coached and out-managed consistently.
Ole has done wonders for the club but i think it is time to call time on his tenure before we lose yet another season od potential.
I do think that Pogba questioning tactics does indeed reflect badly on our coaching staff. Some of our players have won the most prestigious cups/prizes in the game and are serial winners. Ole is a nobody in top managers circles and if it comes to him against these players, he will be fired. Losing Pogba for free and the need to buy a top quality midfielder will cost much more than firing Ole. Bruno is yet to extend, Donny and Martial are likely to leave, Varane and Cristiano are not that keen to play in EL or be out of CL.
Ever had a boss at work who you thought you were better than? It's basically losing them like that. I think the players are starting to think the same way many fans have for a long time, he's just not up to it.
Yeah I'm not sure about that either but I will say there's seemingly a world of difference between managing James, Andreas, Rashford and Martial and building a devastating counter attack that will press high even if it's quality leaves a lot to be desired and having the likes of superstars Ronaldo, Sancho, Cavani (who was near enough first choice when fit last year) Varane to pick from now as well. The Pogba issue of the best place to play him from hasn't been solved either.
I never liked Ole's 4-2-3-1 style but things look a lot more disjointed lately than they did last year.
He lost them a long time ago. They maybe like him (hence there is no majer rift) but on the pitch it shows
The won today with two kids in defence.
Why does the manager not get the blame for picking an obviously unfit Harry Maguire after one training session on grass and then leave him out there, instead of starting Bailly who he was quite happy to sanction a contract extension.
It’s really is unbelievable isn’t itI saw someone saying the new manager would need to be "backed"
. Perhaps a new midfielder for the new man in charge but a wonderful ready made squad is ready to challenge again.He definitely does. But you can't pin it all on that.
The last time I remember being as baffled at the results versus the squad was Moyes' first 6months.It’s really is unbelievable isn’t it
Although know a lot of people have tried to play the revisionist card, that Fergie left some sort of non league level squad that had dropped off a cliff a month or 2 after cruising the league title.
Probably the worst thing for Ole was bringing these 3 quality signings in, as it has ramped the pressure up.
Tactial he is the worst we had post SAF. His level is Norwegian Fotball. He gets away with it because he is a decent man manager, and has a good vision of what type of players United need.
That why I mentioned today that we should bug the dressing room just to find out what instructions he or his coaches give out to the players. What information they are giving about dealing with other teams danger men. We need someone willing to go on a cohort operation.
If we get a new manager, he's got to be able to come in and work his magic from day one and challenge within a year like Tuchel, Zidane or Pep. I don't think I have the patience to wait another 3 years for the team to gel.
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And we wouldn’t have held out v Brentford tonight either
Catch 22 situation. He had to sign some upgrades because of pressure to do better than last season, and now those upgrades are creating even more pressure.
Some of the fancams saying many away fans left before the final whistle. That doesnt bode well for him
Like Jose found, when you finish 2nd, you need to improve, but it's the hardest step of them all.
With City looking good, Liverpool never going to just disappear, despite last season fooling some people, and Chelsea getting it together quickly, as they always seem to do with a new manager, there was always a huge risk of improving, but still dropping down the table.
Unfortunately we haven't even done the improving part!
Ole needs to just about scrape hanging about until after Chelsea away.
Then fixtures improve massively.
I mean I agree, but when it's clear the manager is in way over his head the players are going to play worse. I'm convinced Ole doesn't push players in training. I don't know if there's any evidence to it but the consistent lack of concentration in games the entire time he has been here can be explained by it. It would also explain why the players "like" him so much, they don't get pushed to get better.
Can anybody post them? Was interesting listening to the difference between what was going on in the ground against Everton and then what fans actually thought once they got outside.
Agree about lack of concentration. You have to drill players in a way of playing so it just comes naturally.
Lets not forget the £70 or odd million wasted in 2020 on 3 players who barely play. Some insight from Ole that season and we invest in a holding midfielder. VDB still has potential to succeed though under the right manager.
He would have been the best Director of Football we could have wished for
My only hope is Ronaldo, and even players like Varane, Bruno won't be happy with what's going on atm. Surely they might raise something with the board. I am not a fan of player power over managers, but no way the board is sacking Ole otherwise.
Even the Glazers might see that we are declining after spending strong in the summer.
Even the Glazers might see that we are declining after spending strong in the summer.
This season is gone. Get an experienced interim and let Conte purge this trash in the summer. So many players I dislike.
I don't think so. Has he got a clear vision on how to play? If so, has he bought players to compliment that vision and has he retained players who fit into that vision? That's pretty essential for a DoF to be clear about.
I think he'd be a great ambassador for the club and he'd probably be great with young players in the management sense.
I think it’s a myth that top 4 will always be acceptable. If we are off the pace the board won’t wait until it’s mathematically impossible to get 4th will they? Surely not. Context is important. Public perception is important. Credibility of the board comes into it. Anyway, we’ll probably see the myth tested.
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