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Fast football, forward movement, options in the box, high press, one touch, playing out from the back, not sitting back on our lead. Loved it.
Having the fullbacks so high and wide was very noticeable imo. Under Mou we constantly struggled to move up the pitch since we were outnumbered in attack and we just ended up rolling it sideways in our own half until someone had enough and hoffed it. I also think the way we defended was noticeably different, under Mou we would always fall back and try zone defending, where as yesterday we were more aggressive in our man marking.I'm not sure I could see all that much of a tactical/systemic imprint in that game to be honest. I'd have to see more of Ole's United to do so.
We played with a quick tempo. We were always positive and looking to attack/score. And we functioned as a cohesive unit.
But the specific tactical preferences - High/low defensive line, pressing etc I can't really tell in one game.
I’m not sure that Fergie even had no.2 particularly, which emphasises the importance of the other two even more.His words about out-running the opposition make a huge amount of sense for me. I think his attitude to football mirrors Fergies in a lot of ways. Namely, football is a simple game and if you -
a) put in as much, or more, effort than your opponent (work-rate)
b) apply that effort intelligently (tactical superiority)
c) have more talented players (quality)
you have the strongest chance of winning a football game. Out of those 3, the first is the one factor that we should see every game United play regardless of quality of opposition.
and not one single hoof ball up to the forwards.The most obvious difference was De Gea keeping the ball on the deck with at least every second time he touched the ball. That was a huge difference, right there.
The one blatantly obvious change was the starting position of the full backs.This. Trust me, I tried to find such changes. Apart from the tempo and proactive nature, a lot seemed the same and naturally so
I agree with you in that I don't think Fergie personally had a huge amount of tactical nous, but he certainly knew it was important, which is why he chose the assistant managers he did.I’m not sure that Fergie even had no.2 particularly, which emphasises the importance of the other two even more.
But I would add another factor that is arguably the most important - and I saw this as a Welsh fan at the last Euros - teamwork / togetherness
I'm not sure there is anything to "suss out" so to speak. Ole simply uses an energetic press, one touch passing and winning balls high up the pitch. This is the generic template for the football played by most top teams, with minor differences. Exception being possession managers like Guardiola or defensive ones like Conte and Simeone.Absolutely loving it so far, but soon managers will suss Ole out, and then we'll see if he can mix it up when teams start to counter our tactics.
If we remain undefeated after the spurs game, I think we've got an excellent chance to get a top 4 place.
That's true.The most obvious difference was De Gea keeping the ball on the deck with at least every second time he touched the ball. That was a huge difference, right there.
I mean, maybe there was. But I'm possibly not eagled eyed enough to be able to pick these things up so instantly. Or maybe it wasn't that different. feck knows. But I did find us to be more attack minded in mentality and instinct if not in tactics.This. Trust me, I tried to find such changes. Apart from the tempo and proactive nature, a lot seemed the same and naturally so
Saw this on Twitter too.Watching United yesterday reminded me just how Narrow Jose we sometimes became.
With Olé there was a wide rotation to play out and the ball side midfielder pushes forward with winger dropping to collect.
With Mourinho, ball side midfielder dropped in to allow fullback to push on. Winger was meant to be found behind the lines. The opposite side midfielder would tuck in to anticipate the turnover.
Lingard was also given a massive liscence to roam yesterday.
Exactly. And even when he didn’t keep it on the deck, the closest he came to a hoof was chipping it to a fullback.and not one single hoof ball up to the forwards.
Agree with this, though I'd add that the single biggest difference, surely was how high the full-backs were...?The most obvious difference was De Gea keeping the ball on the deck with at least every second time he touched the ball. That was a huge difference, right there.
me too. The difference is that had rashford scored when he did, we would have played for the 1-0 win and defended like we usually did under mourinho.Makes me just question Mourinho so much, a week without him and they start playing like this?
What the hell was he instructing them? I’d still back Mourinho to beat Cardiff but not play like we did.
Will be interesting to see alright.I think the real question is how will he set up vs the top 4 teams? We can't go full on attack and out score City or Pool.
High lines, advanced full backs and risky passes are all well and good vs teams that won't punish you.
For now I'll be delighted if we get beat all teams below the top 6.
But at least now we look like we might be inclined to punish teams as well. It was neither here nor there with Mourinho (by the end): zero attacking impetus, yet a panic-ridden mess at the back.I think the real question is how will he set up vs the top 4 teams? We can't go full on attack and out score City or Pool.
High lines, advanced full backs and risky passes are all well and good vs teams that won't punish you.
For now I'll be delighted if we get beat all teams below the top 6.
I thought Ole's approach varied a little. He still had the fullbacks right up, especially in the first half. While the widemen dropoed in to create space for overlaps. However, the press was less aggresive and the team held the ball and worked less into the open spaces than in Cardiff. Accident or design only Ole knows. To some extent the change was enforced cos Mata lacks Martial's speed with and without the ball.Can anyone with a better tactical eye tell me whether we saw more actual Oleball in the Huddersfield match? Or was it simply players being allowed to attack with freedom?
Cardiff played with a higher line which made it easier for us to play the ball in behind. Huddersfield were much more organised and stayed narrow and compact so our play consisted around switching the ball from left to right and right to left to pull defenders out of position and create space for runs in behind. Best example of this was our second goal. Also, our full backs were overlapping which pulled the opposition full backs out of position, giving the attacking players more time on the ball. You can see this in our third goal, Shaw overlaps and which forces the defender to follow him instead of closing down Lingard, who then has time to pick out Pogba who scores.Can anyone with a better tactical eye tell me whether we saw more actual Oleball in the Huddersfield match? Or was it simply players being allowed to attack with freedom?
I thought Ole's approach varied a little. He still had the fullbacks right up, especially in the first half. While the widemen dropoed in to create space for overlaps. However, the press was less aggresive and the team held the ball and worked less into the open spaces than in Cardiff. Accident or design only Ole knows. To some extent the change was enforced cos Mata lacks Martial's speed with and without the ball.
Huddersfield were a lot more organized than Cardiff, which stopped the type of balls to the wall attackfest we saw on Saturday. Dalot and Shaw both had shots inside the box, though. We're clearly committing way more men forward under Ole, especially out wide.
Thanks. Still too early to tell I suppose, and I think factors such as Huddersfield's aggressive pressing and our players' fatigue also contributed towards a somewhat chaotic match.Cardiff played with a higher line which made it easier for us to play the ball in behind. Huddersfield were much more organised and stayed narrow and compact so our play consisted around switching the ball from left to right and right to left to pull defenders out of position and create space for runs in behind. Best example of this was our second goal. Also, our full backs were overlapping which pulled the opposition full backs out of position, giving the attacking players more time on the ball. You can see this in our third goal, Shaw overlaps and which forces the defender to follow him instead of closing down Lingard, who then has time to pick out Pogba who scores.
Oleball didn't work too well today because Newcastle parked the bus for 70-80 minutes. I don't think I've ever seen a more defensive and compact team.I was scared watching them last night. Like any moment a hamstring or muscle can be pulled off from Rashford, Pogba and Martial. I can feel the strain.
Oleball didn't work too well due to profligacy in front of goal and the final third today, but I think it's safe to say that we can all see how Oleball works now.
Newcastle was cautious today, and it worked so well for them. I think Ole's tactics will blow lesser teams at home, but they learned from our wins and employed that tactics you mentioned.Oleball didn't work too well today because Newcastle parked the bus for 70-80 minutes. I don't think I've ever seen a more defensive and compact team.
Usually we drop points to these teams. I'm just glad we scored and twice.