Andycoleno9
matchday malcontent
I enjoyed every second of it. Wayne fecking Rooney.
Thanks. I’ll listen to this tomorrow while I’m working. Rooney knows football and I like his opinions on it
I enjoyed every second of it. Wayne fecking Rooney.
He was asked if he'd ever consider being an assistant and he said as long as it was for a manager like Pep. Not as outrageous as everyone is making out. Basically said that Peps assistants learn so much from him that they become excellent managers in their own right. He used Arteta as an example.Thanks. I’ll listen to this tomorrow while I’m working. Rooney knows football and I like his opinions on it
I saw some quote on Twitter that he said he’d want to be the Man City assistant manager? Was that taken out of context?
His inability to look after his own body played a big part in part of our decline. He was the captain and he was finished as a top level player by the time he was 30. All well and good to complain about people dancing but he didn’t keep himself in shape at all.I have to be honest, I absolutely hated it when he put in a transfer request. But looking back, he saw a lot of things coming that we had suffered with over the last decade. In a way, he was proven right and I no longer have that anger towards him as I did in his final 5 years or so.
Very true. He went from being one of my favourite players on the team to me cringing when I saw him play at times, was a shadow of himself. 2004-2010 Rooney > 2011 onwards. At least he admits he wasn't a top professional in terms of taking care of himself.His inability to look after his own body played a big part in part of our decline. He was the captain and he was finished as a top level player by the time he was 30. All well and good to complain about people dancing but he didn’t keep himself in shape at all.
Many fans do too. I don't see it as damning against the players though, it's damning against the choice of manager. Would you give (e.g.) Frank Lampard time to prove himself if he were appointed here in the summer?A great watch, pretty damning but not suprising to hear players had already given up on Managers before they even set foot in the door.
Most players don't get into adult football teams until 20/22 sort of age bracket. He was playing PL by 16. His body did 14 years before the decline. That's enough isn't it.His inability to look after his own body played a big part in part of our decline. He was the captain and he was finished as a top level player by the time he was 30. All well and good to complain about people dancing but he didn’t keep himself in shape at all.
Come on...you shouldn't have been so dependent on just one individual or replaced them better. He himself says in the video that he was benched for Zlatan, another aging striker.His inability to look after his own body played a big part in part of our decline. He was the captain and he was finished as a top level player by the time he was 30. All well and good to complain about people dancing but he didn’t keep himself in shape at all.
Sorry to be pedantic but he was cooked by 2014, so 12 years and age 28, but yes, he had done enough by then. If Rooney was African I'm sure there would be people questioning his birth certificate.Most players don't get into adult football teams until 20/22 sort of age bracket. He was playing PL by 16. His body did 14 years before the decline. That's enough isn't it.
He was probably amongst the better footballers during Moyes's season.Sorry to be pedantic but he was cooked by 2014, so 12 years and age 28, but yes, he had done enough by then. If Rooney was African I'm sure there would be people questioning his birth certificate.
The problem was he wanted to continue as though he was still in his peak, as did the club. He should've gone when Moyes took over as the decline was already evident by then but instead we had to endure him stinking the place out for another four seasons while no-one seemed to want to acknowledge what we were all seeing. "My captain shall always play".
His ego contributed to that, same as Shearer when he was declining and still captaining England, but if he had looked after himself he might not have been quite so much like a pub player in those latter years.
But then that's also the history of the club post-fergie - accepting of mediocre and/or selfish performances on the pitch. Lingard, Pogba, Rashford being the poster boys. Hopefully we'll finally see the end to that this summer. Beans beans beans.
But then really dropped off hugely after. In the long run selling him at the same time Fergie left would have made far more sense as we would have made some money out of him at least and Moyes wasn't working out either way.He was probably amongst the better footballers during Moyes's season.
It was more the timing of his new contract after Ferguson left than anything. The club put him on a pedestal with that as the example for the rest of the squad, and it was just when he'd reached the point his body had caught up with him and he couldn't really lead by example anymore. The same thing had happened to Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick at around the same time so we had a bunch of leaders who couldn't lead by example, a bunch of players who needed leading, and whatever Fellaini was meant to be.Come on...you shouldn't have been so dependent on just one individual or replaced them better. He himself says in the video that he was benched for Zlatan, another aging striker.
But the reason he didn’t manage his decline is because he clearly didn’t look after himself off the pitch. His last top class season was at 26.Most players don't get into adult football teams until 20/22 sort of age bracket. He was playing PL by 16. His body did 14 years before the decline. That's enough isn't it.
No, but none of that absolves Rooney from his inability to look after himself. The fact he was benched for a player who was older further proves the point.Come on...you shouldn't have been so dependent on just one individual or replaced them better. He himself says in the video that he was benched for Zlatan, another aging striker.
Rooney should have looked after himself better, but him being benched for an older Zlatan for me doesn't prove anything. Ibra was an anomaly for how long his body held up. At 40, he was still a useful player for Milan.No, but none of that absolves Rooney from his inability to look after himself. The fact he was benched for a player who was older further proves the point.
Personally, I think the 1st 8 or so months of 2011 is the best Rooney played. He was a bit less explosive, but I thought he had an even extra bit of ingenuity to his game and he was a more controlled player utilizing his best attributes.Very true. He went from being one of my favourite players on the team to me cringing when I saw him play at times, was a shadow of himself. 2004-2010 Rooney > 2011 onwards. At least he admits he wasn't a top professional in terms of taking care of himself.
However I was only talking about the transfer saga, have to give him credit for seeing it coming.
It was an example of one player who looked after his body versus a player who didn’t. You don’t have to be exactly like Zlatan to perform better than Rooney did after 2012.Rooney should have looked after himself better, but him being benched for an older Zlatan for me doesn't prove anything. Ibra was an anomaly for how long his body held up. At 40, he was still a useful player for Milan.
Fair enough, but Ibra is one of the best ever in this regard. Not many better than him and he's a physical specimen. Rooney much less so. Which again does prove your point: He should have looked after himself better. He had it in him to play top level football into his mid 30's imo considering his all-around talent, but he let himself down. Still a great career either way.It was an example of one player who looked after his body versus a player who didn’t. You don’t have to be exactly like Zlatan to perform better than Rooney did after 2012.
I still hate it as I feel it's a black mark on his legacy at the club. Of course we love Rooney but he's not loved on the same level as the likes of Sir Bobby and George Best when honestly he should be on that level. He's our greatest goal scorer of all time. There shouldn't even be a debate on whether he should get a statue at OT.I have to be honest, I absolutely hated it when he put in a transfer request. But looking back, he saw a lot of things coming that we had suffered with over the last decade. In a way, he was proven right and I no longer have that anger towards him as I did in his final 5 years or so.
It was more the timing of his new contract after Ferguson left than anything. The club put him on a pedestal with that as the example for the rest of the squad, and it was just when he'd reached the point his body had caught up with him and he couldn't really lead by example anymore. The same thing had happened to Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick at around the same time so we had a bunch of leaders who couldn't lead by example, a bunch of players who needed leading, and whatever Fellaini was meant to be.
If he hadn't had c. 10-12 years of top class level football then Id perhaps lean to your thinking but he gave more than most players did/do to football and he's one of the best players in your and PL history. Not every player is built to be playing into their late 30s or even mid 30s and nor should they feel obliged to.No, but none of that absolves Rooney from his inability to look after himself. The fact he was benched for a player who was older further proves the point.
To be fair, that's just impossible considering Sir Bobby's history and his efforts during and after the Munich Air Disaster.I still hate it as I feel it's a black mark on his legacy at the club. Of course we love Rooney but he's not loved on the same level as the likes of Sir Bobby and George Best when honestly he should be on that level. He's our greatest goal scorer of all time. There shouldn't even be a debate on whether he should get a statue at OT.
They may have if he’d been flirting with Real Madrid.It's not the same obviously, but I don't think Barcelona fans care at all that Messi requested to leave in 2020.
Well Rooney didn't flirt with Liverpool, and I don't think it was ever confirmed from Rooney himself that he was flirting with City(correct me if I'm wrong). He stated Real Madrid and Barcelona were interested in the video. I didn't recall him mentioning City.They may have if he’d been flirting with Real Madrid.
He probably wouldn’t admit it though. At the time the only talk was Man City.Well Rooney didn't flirt with Liverpool, and I don't think it was ever confirmed from Rooney himself that he was flirting with City(correct me if I'm wrong). He stated Real Madrid and Barcelona were interested in the video. I didn't recall him mentioning City.
I don't disagree with that and I'm not criticising him. Ferguson leaving, other players retiring or being past their best, and Rooney's new contract all coincided with each other, and it also coincided with when Rooney really began to decline as a player himself. It was just bad timing.If he hadn't had c. 10-12 years of top class level football then Id perhaps lean to your thinking but he gave more than most players did/do to football and he's one of the best players in your and PL history. Not every player is built to be playing into their late 30s or even mid 30s and nor should they feel obliged to.
He managed 21 and then 18 goal contributions in his last 2 seasons for United which is pretty good still.
If you believe the reports and interviews he was training and going to reserve matches with the first team players from when he was 14. I remember an older Everton fan raving about him 2 years before he scored that goal against Arsenal.Most players don't get into adult football teams until 20/22 sort of age bracket. He was playing PL by 16. His body did 14 years before the decline. That's enough isn't it.
He needed tough disciplineBut the reason he didn’t manage his decline is because he clearly didn’t look after himself off the pitch. His last top class season was at 26.
Ferguson had it all set up to sell him to Chelsea.He needed tough discipline
He'd have lasted longer under Ferguson
Yeah, same. And agreed.I have to be honest, I absolutely hated it when he put in a transfer request. But looking back, he saw a lot of things coming that we had suffered with over the last decade. In a way, he was proven right and I no longer have that anger towards him as I did in his final 5 years or so.