As interesting as this is, do we really need to be seeing this?
Sure it’ll just be hours of Triple Nose worship anyway.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
As interesting as this is, do we really need to be seeing this?
Sure it’ll just be hours of Triple Nose worship anyway.
Oh I agree, it’s not all on the Rock at all, the writing has been poor for that match and others. But if the Rock wasn’t going to be at Wrestlemania then surely he is senior enough to say I probably shouldn’t get involved in this storyline or it looks a bit stupid to turn up to event and put 3 fingers in the air and walk off.
It still feels pretty weak to me. They’re trying to blur the lines so he’s not a heel or a face after very clearly positioning him as a heel at Elimination Chamber and straight after in the European shows. I don’t even think they’re going to mention the Rock again. Another 7-8 months of Cena saying he’s going to take the last piece of ‘traditional’ wrestling back with him is going to get very stale, very quickly. They need to do away with these ‘best for business/soul of the industry’ angles and just get back to ‘I’m better than you, let’s fight’.
Oh yeah, agree with that. Something has happened behind the scenes surely? I don’t believe Rock would randomly just want to be involved in major angles for giggles with no pay off (unless there is something down the line still).
Not sure but it’s definitly weird if something hasn’t happened as that would be awful writing. If something has happened no doubt rumours will emerge.
I think they already have, I think Melzer(?) said there was a big creative disagreement after EC between HHH and Rock (could be bollocks though).
I'm likely very wrong but this would be some of my thoughts on the whole Rock situation and why he didn't show:
A) Doesn't want to be involved to over-shadow Cena's record breaking achievement.
B) Stayed behind as just having him turn up every Wrestlemania will get stale and, as a lot of people already do, expect him to turn up anyway.
C) The storyline will continue, likely tonight on RAW and he will introduce the Corporate champion and how he has Cena's soul.
D) Other commitments - highly unlikely as this man must be booked up for at least 18 months in advance.
E) They are dropping the whole involvement of him as it was just a plot device to turn Cena heel and introduce (poorly) Travis Scott.
I re-watched the main event and really feel for Cody and how feeble and soft they made him. Comparing this match to the epic match with Reigns last year is night and day. I've got no problems with Cena winning a 17th but i shudder to watch him wrestle again. He can't carry anyone anymore and is just a liability in the ring at the moment.
A) Doesn't want to be involved to over-shadow Cena's record breaking achievement.
B) Stayed behind as just having him turn up every Wrestlemania will get stale and, as a lot of people already do, expect him to turn up anyway.
C) The storyline will continue, likely tonight on RAW and he will introduce the Corporate champion and how he has Cena's soul.
D) Other commitments - highly unlikely as this man must be booked up for at least 18 months in advance.
E) They are dropping the whole involvement of him as it was just a plot device to turn Cena heel and introduce (poorly) Travis Scott.
I re-watched the main event and really feel for Cody and how feeble and soft they made him. Comparing this match to the epic match with Reigns last year is night and day. I've got no problems with Cena winning a 17th but i shudder to watch him wrestle again. He can't carry anyone anymore and is just a liability in the ring at the moment.
Absolutely loved the show.
But Gunther tapping out to Jey Uso is an absolute abomination. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
They should have had the Rock show up, and had Austin cut him off this time. Sort of, a legends of the past thing, trying to stop him from corrupting the business.
Then Cena has the choice once everyone is taken out, whether he uses the belt and takes what he wants, or goes the honest route. He uses the belt and wins it.
It would have been way more exciting, used Austin better and had it come down to Cena screwing Cody in isolation.
You then play out the story of Cena needing the help to beat Cody and realizing his powers are waning and build to a redemption where he loses after taking the honest route (against an opponent of your choosing)
Then Cena has the choice once everyone is taken out, whether he uses the belt and takes what he wants, or goes the honest route. He uses the belt and wins it.
It would have been way more exciting, used Austin better and had it come down to Cena screwing Cody in isolation.
You then play out the story of Cena needing the help to beat Cody and realizing his powers are waning and build to a redemption where he loses after taking the honest route (against an opponent of your choosing)
We won't. I take anything these guys say once the camera is on as a work.
At best they will sprinkle a few lines of truth in, since every story is bet when it has a grain of truth to it, but this show will be nothing more than a way for fans to feel that they're part of the action and garner sympathy for Triple H by likely portraying him as a guy doing his best trying to manage wrestlers egos', his family life, shareholders, his friends and enemies.
I think they all probably did the best that they could. Triple H was happy to take credit for this at Elimination Chamber and in hindsight, they didn't mention The Rock after Elimination Chamber because it was at best tenuous as to whether he'd show up at Mania, but none of this was really needed. If The Rock and Travis Scott aren't a part of the heel turn, does anything change? I'm not big on socials or checking the news but are people even talking about what Scott did at Mania last night or has the Pope's death taken up all the oxygen?
Very true, I don't think he had a segment with Cody before or since did he? But he did some out and high five Rhea or something randomly?
Is it all take to be a great promo some shouting and talking about how underused you are and the birthdays + funerals you've missed? I'm sure Drew cut the same promo last year.
This really annoyed me, they could have written him off of TV and made Cena into more of a bastard heel very easily but they refused to do so. As it stands I don’t think Cody can even have a few weeks off without looking like a little bit of a chump. It’s also baffling when you consider how weak Cena’s been in the previous years before this final run, they didn’t even tap into that at all. There’s so much more they could have played off of.
I think this is good point. Like, he was losing all the time on the run before this one. We should definitely have seen a screw job of some sort here to justify why one of their supposedly current stars, in his prime, couldn’t beat a washed up Cena. I think it really weakens Rhodes.
Why does it matter? He was putting wrestlers over and now he's not. He's got so much ridiculous goodwill as a star that it doesn't really matter.
He's also looks like he can eat Cody for dinner, which helps.
It doesn’t matter to him, it matters to Rhodes though. He comes out of Mania looking weak, and to be honest, it was already tough to buy him as a main event player.
Lots of better fans of the modern day stuff than me will argue against that, and that’s ok. I just think he comes out of it looking weak.
Not at all. 1) it's John Cena who going into WM was just one title away from an all time record holder as WWE champion and 2) he didn't lose clean.
When The Rock was going out he was giving freebies to Hurricane Helmes, it means nothing when you're an astronomical star really.
Again, it doesn’t mean anything to Cena, but it does to Rhodes. He looks weaker than he did going in. You may feel differently, but that was my impression watching it objectively.
Doesn't mean anything for Cody in my opinion. He was champ all year and lost dirty to an icon of WWE.
It's like saying Cena looked bad for putting The Rock over because Rock lost to Hurricane Helms as he was leaving WWE. Actually it's worse because Rock was also out of wrestling for much much longer.
I think Cody looked shite when he hesitated hitting Cena with the belt.
We saw him immediately make use of the chair against KO at SNME and then he lobbed him head first through a ladder at the Rumble, but suddenly he's against doing the necessary.
Yeah it was just poor writing really.
Also weird he took two turnbuckle exposed shots to the head and a finisher with no 3 count, but a generic hit from the wwe title is 1,2,3.
I agree but they could save it a little if they play on it being Cena getting in his head. Veteran mind-games. Making him doubt himself.
But more likely they just didn’t think of it
It made Cody look more stupid than anything else.
At rumble he was trying to legit kill KO but here, he falls for the same trick from the same guy that happened on the previous PPV event.
Also, inconsistent. Man can kick out of every dangerous move from the match against KO but a belt shot and he's down for the count. Maybe the mere presence of the mighty Travis Scott made him so scared that he chose not to get up.
At rumble he was trying to legit kill KO but here, he falls for the same trick from the same guy that happened on the previous PPV event.
Also, inconsistent. Man can kick out of every dangerous move from the match against KO but a belt shot and he's down for the count. Maybe the mere presence of the mighty Travis Scott made him so scared that he chose not to get up.
That was incredibly shit. Travis Scott should never have been in it.
I never understand why they go for an early pin. Has anyone got the 123 from a regular suplex about 30 seconds in.
I could see Rhodes being Cena's last match, Rhodes "saves Wrestling"
I just can't see him going out as a heel, so how they build him back up to face will be interesting.
Only one man can save Cena now
I just can't see him going out as a heel, so how they build him back up to face will be interesting.
Only one man can save Cena now
Not sure my hair stylist would be any good
I’ve heard that explanation before
Unfortunately I can’t remember which wrestler, or exactly what they said
Something to do with.. if you have to get someone off you every time you’re floored and hurt, you end up getting more fatigued. Something like that
Haven't you seen Cena's bald patch?
Was it Maven? I've been watching his channel of late, gives some good insight behind the scenes.
Though one I watched today he basically said Shelton Benjamin has a big schlong so not sure I needed that much info.
Gone now, he has had a hair transplant
Dont mind loads of pins in a match, except when it’s a result of finishers continually being kicked out of
Theory beat Cena at mania but Cody couldn't
Theory is the future obviously
Theory is the future obviously
Becky heal turn 
We're about to watch a banger...
As if they are going with Orton Vs Cena in 2025
Rusev - another pointless acquisition. Just bloating the roster.
I hope Pat is ok
Really really poor.
Even without the title, Gunther still continues to be the best thing in wrestling.
Get Austin Theory in that Heyman stable, looks like they might be shaping up to be Evolution Phase 2.