Don't think it will happen sadly. Jones is injured and Ngannou now moved onto new promotions.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I like Ngannou a lot but AJ or wilder do him in 3 rounds.
So you think, fair fight, fair result, nothing to see here?
Crap fight, fair result, nothing to see here (that we haven’t seen loads of times before)
I wouldn't be surprised if Fury ducks Usyk and calls for a Francis rematch because of the controversial nature of the fight and dismantles him making a ton of moneyNgannou should go pro, why the hell not, he did very well.
The fight against Usyk was NEVER happening in December, I'm more worried about it not happening at all. Don't think Tyson took it very seriously tonight, but either way he'll continue trying to duck an opponent he knows for sure will trouble him.
I just can't believe how much I've turned on Fury and just hope I get to see him knocked out before his career ends
Almost. A 8 minute YouTube video with most of the time spent on the entrances and post fight interviews.
Personally don't see the robbery, when Ngannou won the rounds he did, he won by a comfortable margin which is probably why people are arguing he shouldve won, but Tyson did enough to win the rounds he did, and especially towards the latter of the fight (outside round 8). Over the course of the 12 rounds, he did get more punches in too.
Easily could've ended up going Ngannou's way, as the rounds were all close, but some people here seem to only recall the takedown/round 8 when Ngannou was all over Tyson. He doesn't get extra points for that.
Not a great contest, and wouldn't have argued the result either way.
Easily could've ended up going Ngannou's way, as the rounds were all close, but some people here seem to only recall the takedown/round 8 when Ngannou was all over Tyson. He doesn't get extra points for that.
Not a great contest, and wouldn't have argued the result either way.
Bit disingenuous. Fury dominated Wlad and won by UD. Nobody was saying Wlad was washed up till, of course, Tyson beat him. He still gave AJ a bit of a fight 2 years later in his last ever fight and even knocked him down. Wilder was the one everyone wanted AJ to fight, but he never did. Of course, once Fury demolishes him everyone suddenly downplays him too, even though he probably still is one of the most dangerous fighters in the division.
Alright Tyson, you still got paid and won the fight, calm down.Fury is apparently a disgrace and embarrassment
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
Fair enough.
I never had a dad, but now I know how people feel when they say, “god my dads a stubborn old bugger”
I don’t think Fury did near enough, he didn’t even outwork Ngannou to any degree.
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Except it’s not true at all.
He was expected to lose to Wlad, who he beat on his home turf, comfortably, if you have a problem about the rematch, fine.
Wilder took the first fight thinking Fury wouldn’t be back to his best, he went to America, beat him and got jobbed on the scorecards with a dodgy knockdown counted even though he was a shot behind the head.
I mean, Fury outlanded Ngannou every round except 3,4 and 8, round 3 was the knockdown which is a 10-8, round 8 Ngannou landed one more punch in probably what was his best round outside of 3.
The whole event left a nasty taste in the mouth. It's truly quite sad seeing what boxing has done to itself.
As per the post above, Fury outpunched in most rounds, he did enough to win the rounds, and that's why he was winning the close rounds at the end of the day. I think it was round 8 as well where a big chunk of Ngannou's 59 punches landed, a round in which he won (obviously), but he didn't do much outside of those dominate rounds. From what I saw in the close rounds Tyson had the edge, he was very conservative and it wasn't by all means a great performance or anything, but he did enough for the 10-9 in those rounds, and apparently, 2/3 of the judges agree with that.
Again, not saying by any means that Fury absolutely should've won, like with my post, I said I wouldn't have argued the score either way, but it's a 10 round fight, not a 2 round where just 3 and 8 matter.
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We're never going to see usyk, now.
Forget Fury, Usyk, Anderson, Sanche or whoever, Moses Itauma is the next big thing in the heavy weight boxing World. Best heavy weight I’ve seen since a teenage Mike Tyson.
This. It’s become more like YouTube boxing. The result, spectacle & money is everything. Sports got precious little to do with it now
Disingenuous or not it's a fact outside of Wlad and Wilder his record is unbelievably bad
The location didn’t help. Or those two dweeby looking (but obviously astronomically wealthy) sheikhs being allowed into the ring to fawn over the fighters the second the bell went.
That would well and good if only redcafe were scoring the fight. Numerous boxers as well as respected boxing insiders (such as Bunce)gave the fight to N'Gannou, and if that illegal elbow from Fury had been accounted for, it would be another docked point.
If N'Gannou ate the jab all night, his face certainly doesn't attest to that, either as only one fighter was bloodied, bruised and cut at the end of the bout.
Just watched the fight and Ngannou was very hard done by. I don't see how you can give Fury more than five rounds. Ngannou was very impressive the way he boxed patiently and the way he was able to switch from orthodox to southpaw seamlessly caused Fury problems. There needs to be a rematch next year if Fury beats Usyk convincingly. Be interesting to see how much Fury overlooked him, that was the heaviest Fury has ever been and you would expect his preparation would be much better in a rematch.
I think people are getting confused by the Youtubers. MMA fighters are elite in nearly all disciplines. Plus they have fighting backgrounds. They know the tactics and psychology of fighting even if its not a discipline they excel in. Go see how Mighty Mouse took on Rodtang in his discipline. He didnt look out of place at all with one of the greatest Thai boxers ever. Plus Nganou is a fkn beast. Mentally. Physically and has that world class power. I think people especially Fury will not underestimate a cross over fight again. Those MMA dudes are not Youtubers
Yeah, looking for bruises on N’Gannou’s face would not be a good way to score that fight (or any fight)
I think he just underestimated the task at hand, as nearly all of us did, and once it registered he was in a serious fight, he couldn't get going because he hadn't conditioned N'Gannou to his actual fighting style, which is why he looked rushed and uncomfortable trying to then establish his dominance. It's also got to be accounted for that it was a 10rd bout, which Fury knew he didn't have his usual amount of time to work in.
The thing with bombing someone out is they have to susceptible whilst you're not; Francis was firing bombs off in retaliation up close and Fury decided pretty early it was a bad idea to get into a gunfight.
There's also the clinch; never in my life did I think N'Gannou would be able to fend a clinching Fury off and not get tired super early, but there he was, out-muscling Fury and even looking extremely dangerous in dirty boxing range on top of that, which cut another go to avenue off for Fury. I think from there he was really flustered and uncomfortable in the ring and a number of factors were exacerbating his angst, not least Francis being a legitimate threat straight through until the final bell.
I have doubts Fury will want to do it again, but a rematch would tell us what the real deal is.
Doesn't mean you can bypass the remainder of what was said.
And of course you can look for damage on both fighters.
There isn't any point, but they bank on the fact that the selling of fights is almost always better than the product itself, and fear of missing out becomes too much for people to resist.
I guess you haven't followed what the Fury family have said about non pros taking on professional boxers in the lead up to Tommy fighting the YouTuber? Tyson himself using words similar to what you're denigrating?Fury is apparently a disgrace and embarrassment
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
The world champ who is supposed to be king of the HW division is supposed to make an exhibition out of someone who has no professional boxing bouts to his name. How can that be denied or shaped any differently?
I like and rate Fury, but trying to defend him for last night is absurd. He looked crestfallen for a reason at the end of the bout. It's hugely embarrassing for him and definitely not how things were supposed to go.
Can we have Itauma vs Usyk instead? Within 2 years Itauma will be the only name on everybody’s lips, a generational talent if ever there was one.
There were 10 rounds. Fury was not going for it in the last portion of the contest and lost rd 8. He also landed an illegal elbow that should have seen him docked a point, which is being glossed over and shouldn't be.
Those stats would make more sense if they were broken down into rounds. Rightly or wrongly boxing is scored by rounds, not overall
He’s not a disgrace though is he mate?
I followed all of that but you have to take what Fury says with a pinch of salt as his mood changes all the time. In the build up he had moments of saying he would destroy him and knock him out and in others was saying the exact opposite. I honestly believe it’s a mixture of being a showman and him being bi polar. Not excusing the performance, just think it’s a step too far calling him an embarrassment and a disgrace and making out he’s now an average fighter.
Fury has schooled fighters like Klitschko and Wilder and then looked absolutely average against people like Wallin and Pianeta, it happens. There’s just way too many overreactions at times. He was a bit shit last night and looked well off it, it’s probably hurt him mentally that performance but he’s not suddenly a shit fighter that would get turned over by Joshua and Usyk or a disgrace imo.
I think that fight will have a lasting effect on Fury. He's said all along, as soon as he's not happy boxing, he'll pack it all in and call it a day, I think that day is fast approaching after last night.
But Ngannou didn’t throw 250 punches odd in 2/3 rounds? He sat back the entire fight so I’d guess they were pretty even throughout the 10.
There’s rounds that I’m seeing fans give Tyson where he spent half the round leaping into Ngannou to flat out hug him and kept being thrown off. To give Fury that fight you have to be looking to give him that fight but it is what it is
But out landing by a thin margins doesn’t mean anything, the judges dont have access to these stats. It’s averages out to one extra shot per round. My point was the volume wasn’t there to claim Tyson out worked him when he clearly didn’t. Both looked equally busy throughout the fight, it’s really the output that judges are drawn to (rightly or wrongly)
It just seems to me that there were rounds that little happened that fans give to Tyson and it needs Ngannou putting it on Fury get him a round and that’s a compete misrepresentation of how little happened in this fight. If there wasn’t a knockdown a lot more onlookers would be giving Ngannou one or Two more rounds that they’re currently giving Tyson
Yeah that felt strange at the time. Everyone I know was thinking Fury needs to do something here and he didn’t throw a punch. Not sure if that’s a bit of mind games or whether he just knew it was done at that point.
PFL must be very happy with this, Ngannou should drag even more eyes when he'll be ready to do his contracted matches for them. Just need to find a couple of good names to put him with.
And Dana have to feel a little embarrassed too
I don't think he'll go pro because of his other commitments but Francis certainly gave himself credit to get another big exhibition match within 1-3 years.
And Dana have to feel a little embarrassed too
I don't think he'll go pro because of his other commitments but Francis certainly gave himself credit to get another big exhibition match within 1-3 years.
I don't know if Nagannou's punches were all that even throughout.
Many are saying that Fury landed more punches in 6/7 of the rounds.
There are some round by round stats here although I don't know how reliable compubox are.
https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-compubox-punch-stats--178829