The saddest thing about our current situation...
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The saddest thing is not Ole possibly tarnishing his legacy, I've been one of his biggest supporters up until things totally collapsed this season, but in taking the job he risked how he was viewed by the fanbase (or should I say particularly the younger aged fans.)
The saddest thing is that after all the money spent and the slow progress he started with we are now again (3 years later) losing ground in the league and getting hammered by our biggest rivals. The club comes first, it has to, so by default our current position and the continual slide of this great football club is by far the saddest thing about our current situation. You have to put the club first when you can see things have gone backwards.
The saddest thing is that after all the money spent and the slow progress he started with we are now again (3 years later) losing ground in the league and getting hammered by our biggest rivals. The club comes first, it has to, so by default our current position and the continual slide of this great football club is by far the saddest thing about our current situation. You have to put the club first when you can see things have gone backwards.
It's crazy to hear fans/players of other clubs, many of whom have traditionally hated United in utter disbelief at how low our standards have sunk. It's bringing into question everything everyone has known about our standing as a big club.
Yes, that's why it's sad for me. Ole is faultless in that he's done nothing 'wrong' but time is now doing the dirty work and it seems irreversible. He will forever be a legend but the longer we limp on the worse this will get, particulalry for younger fans who only know of 99 through replays and stories.
For me there have been a few windows now where it's been apparent something is wrong, obviously hindsight is everything but when you don't win trophies it's a ticking time bomb at a huge club.
- The end of his first season when we were absolutely dire (we missed top four because we took 2 points from 15 including loss to Cardiff and draw with Huddersfield). We also lost to Wolves in the cup.
- Start to 19/20 - from memory we were yo-yoing around from 9th-5th until Bruno came & then covid hit which allowed a few injuries to return and we finished well (albeit it went to the last game of the season vs Leicester).
- That's not even going into the Sevilla debacle and losses to good teams in cups (Chelsea, City).
- 2nd full season we were steady domestically but lost every KO game we went into against full strength good teams (Chelsea, City domestic cups), must win game versus RBL, Villarreal in the final.
- Present day, don't need to go into detail here.
I know what you mean but I was seeing it as one in the same - they take money out of the club, so however many millions of a pay off going to Ole is money not there for the Glazers.
It won’t ruin it for me, although I am not resentful towards him like many online fans. I want him gone, this squad is too good to be this poorly coached but he will always be a legend.
He will always be a club legend in my eyes. His tenure unfortunately just wasn't to be.
It won't ruin it for me - at least not in the long term. Right now I can't stand the sight of him, but I'm sure I'll get over that after a while when he's finally gone. But for people who didn't really see him as a player but only as a manager... There's a limit to how much they'll be swayed thanks to the stories of his great past.
Whats sad is that he said its about the club, and not him. He said he would leave if he thought he cant progress us. Whats sad is that he was anti glazer previously but now is their PR machine. Whats sad is that he cant accept the truth of our position and is out of his depth but still dragging the club down just so that he can prove hes the one to take us further.
Its not him... its us.
Its not him... its us.
We who supported United when he was playing won't think any less of him as a player and will remember those days fondly but the younger fans who never saw him play will ofcourse not regard him highly.
His status at the club is diminishing no doubt, you'll have a whole generation of fans who will remember him as the manager who failed badly.
His status at the club is diminishing no doubt, you'll have a whole generation of fans who will remember him as the manager who failed badly.
Ole has just been a bit shit that is all. It's not like he took over right after SAF and made us rubbish, we've been quite poor for nearly a decade now so Ole in some respects has only carried on tradition post Fergie.
The younger fans might look at him different but then again the younger fans will have no clue what any of the 99 batch meant so who cares. My opinion on the Busby babes means sweet FA because I never got to watch them.
Ole will always be a legend here and I say that right after typing Ole out in another thread.
The younger fans might look at him different but then again the younger fans will have no clue what any of the 99 batch meant so who cares. My opinion on the Busby babes means sweet FA because I never got to watch them.
Ole will always be a legend here and I say that right after typing Ole out in another thread.
Totally different levels
I actually look forward to the day he returns as just a guest or fan after being replaced as manager as he will get a thunderous reception. We could get relegated and he will always be a hero at OT, he's just out of his depth as a manager here and the board's inability to act is doing him no favours.
Yeah couldn't agree more
His legacy isn't going to be damaged by this, he's struggling 100% but he will still believe in his own ability to turn the situation around.
He won't turn it around but why are we ridiculing him for giving it a go. We should appreciate where he's got us from the position we were in when he arrived.
Then we should give him a proper send off when he's made to stand down from his role.
The guy gave me the best moment of my life other than the birth of my children, I won't ever disrespect him.
He won't turn it around but why are we ridiculing him for giving it a go. We should appreciate where he's got us from the position we were in when he arrived.
Then we should give him a proper send off when he's made to stand down from his role.
The guy gave me the best moment of my life other than the birth of my children, I won't ever disrespect him.
No I don't think so. He hasn't been good enough in the end and was promoted above his level but he wasn't going to say no was he?
Again the fault lies with the board who'll probably make the wrong choice again on the next man.
Again the fault lies with the board who'll probably make the wrong choice again on the next man.
I don't know the specifics of Ole's contract, but he's on ~ £7.5 million per annum till the end of 2024.
Which person in his/her right frame of mind would forego the last big paycheck of his/her life just for the sake of what MUFC fans think?
Ole has zero managerial pedigree and no half-decent club will offer him a job anytime soon. Worse still, he may never get another top job in his lifetime.
The onus is on the club to fire him and compensate him appropriately. Why should he resign?
With all due respect Ole's reputation and legacy means feck when compared to the football club itself. He's just one of the many great players we've had and we've had much better. The saddest thing about this situation is the situation the club finds itself in. Spending a 100 million a year every year for nearly a decade post SAF and getting absolutely toyed with by our two biggest rivals at OT. A disastrous decade that now sees us backing a manager who is getting hammered every week and has won no trophies in 4 years. That is the saddest part about this. Ole's reputation means feck all in the grand scheme of things.
Disrespectful to Lampard. Even if Lampard was a bum as a manager he was still Chelsea's all time top scorer and arguably the best player in the clubs history. Ole was a sideman. Just happy to be at the club and collect his cheque while being a sub player in his whole career .
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I know fans are saying his legendary status will stay, I am one that thinks it will take a hit. If he called it a day and moved on, it would be different.
Him staying on, thinking he is doing good for the club is not just damaging the club but his reputation as well.
Its begging to feel like he actually doesn't care, this talk about United way, United DNA is crap, what United DNA is to let teams come to OT and play us off the park.
Get out this club.
Him staying on, thinking he is doing good for the club is not just damaging the club but his reputation as well.
Its begging to feel like he actually doesn't care, this talk about United way, United DNA is crap, what United DNA is to let teams come to OT and play us off the park.
Get out this club.
What an idiotic take.
Perhaps that ship has sailed rather unfortunately. Nothing suggests we are a big club now looking from the outside in, at least on the commercial front we still are a force to reckon with. Hopefully one day UTD will return to those standards. In the meantime one can only hope.
I’m old enough to remember ole as a player. Watched his debut goal and of course “that goal.”
I’ve managed to split the 2 aspects in my mind- ole the coach and ole the player.
what he did and how he was as a player are secure in my mind.
the coach has to go, no tactics, no coaching, players who played well in a European final 4 months ago are now apparently inept at marking, defending and passing
please go now
I’ve managed to split the 2 aspects in my mind- ole the coach and ole the player.
what he did and how he was as a player are secure in my mind.
the coach has to go, no tactics, no coaching, players who played well in a European final 4 months ago are now apparently inept at marking, defending and passing
please go now
The saddest thing right now is that there doesn’t seem to be much hope of change. The manager can go but the idiotic board seem to never get anything right. Dithering around and leading us into another decade of mediocrity.
Ole will always be the man who won a champions league final for Manchester United. However the things he’s been saying lately are doing himself no favours with the aforementioned ‘new generation’ of fans.
Ole will always be the man who won a champions league final for Manchester United. However the things he’s been saying lately are doing himself no favours with the aforementioned ‘new generation’ of fans.
The saddest thing is that there are now at least three different destinations in England alone that are more attractive than United for playing or managing!
Well most of it seems to be directed at the man.
Yeah can't argue with that
The saddest thing is that talented squads get maybe 2-3 years together and that we had a new unfecked sancho, Greenwood, rashford, diallo, Ronaldo, cavani, pogba, fernandes together for a limited time and used it with absolutely no sense of how to maximise it
I still cannot believe he survived that.
Maybe Ronaldo can do a Beefy against Watford? Just like Botham kippered Boycott who was taking his own time in a limited over match. Beefy ran him out deliberately so another batsman can take his place and push the run rate high.
I think thats kind of the problem. Since the money doesn’t come directly out of their pockets, they are happy to pay as the money wont affect them taking those dividends.
Any new owner funding the club would be thinking 10 times before offering new contracts especially if theres a chance that person will likely fail.
Now that's debatable!
How is it? Even if you prefer the 68 win, it didn't have a "single moment" like the 99 win. 68 may well be our greatest moment as a club in a lot of peoples eyes, I tried to put context of "single moment" as in the literal second of winning the European Cup final in the 93rd minute but if people want to try and be pedantic that's fine.
All this nonsense about legacy in an attempt to guilt trip a hired employee of the club into walking away from his deserved compensation should be directed at the inept management of said club.
When Roy took Sunderland from the bottom of the Championship to the Premier League I genuinely thought he'd be the manager that would take us on from Ferguson. I thought the appointment of Ole as interim was a chronic appointment, a couple of months later I thought it was genius. It's impossible to know.
My biggest fear it that my auld fella (77) wont see United win the league again. He's the biggest United fan I know, he loves them. I remember listening to matches on 5 live in the 90's with him. I remember going to the local pub to watch the '91 ECWC run (didnt have it on TV at home). I remember him putting the car lights on the garden so we could re-create Sparky's goal from the angle. His heart is giving up (medically), Mum wont let him watch games anymore.... I'd love another title for him......
My biggest fear it that my auld fella (77) wont see United win the league again. He's the biggest United fan I know, he loves them. I remember listening to matches on 5 live in the 90's with him. I remember going to the local pub to watch the '91 ECWC run (didnt have it on TV at home). I remember him putting the car lights on the garden so we could re-create Sparky's goal from the angle. His heart is giving up (medically), Mum wont let him watch games anymore.... I'd love another title for him......
A player remembered for putting the club before himself will mostly be remembered as a manager that put himself before the club.
I think no less of him. His status as a legend of the club is quite safe in my opinion even if (as seems likely) he goes down as a failure at management.
He’s going through a terrible time of it. The buck stops with him and he seems unable to get the players to do the basics any more. Barring a miracle, his time is up.
He’s still doing his best, still loves the club, is still fighting and will probably never give up.
He was a better player than he is a manager on the evidence available but nothing can undo the great things he did and that one moment in 99 may never be surpassed.
For anyone who didn’t see his whole playing career with us, he was much better than a lot of people are making out. He did come off the bench a fair bit but he started over 200 games for us, despite some bad injuries and having some tough competition in his positions. He scored a lot of goals and some beauties among them.
For me, none of those memories can be erased or eroded even if he drops a deuce in the centre circle at OT.
He’s going through a terrible time of it. The buck stops with him and he seems unable to get the players to do the basics any more. Barring a miracle, his time is up.
He’s still doing his best, still loves the club, is still fighting and will probably never give up.
He was a better player than he is a manager on the evidence available but nothing can undo the great things he did and that one moment in 99 may never be surpassed.
For anyone who didn’t see his whole playing career with us, he was much better than a lot of people are making out. He did come off the bench a fair bit but he started over 200 games for us, despite some bad injuries and having some tough competition in his positions. He scored a lot of goals and some beauties among them.
For me, none of those memories can be erased or eroded even if he drops a deuce in the centre circle at OT.
And that's the problem.
The newer generation of fans have no recollection of what happened in 1999 are now just looking at the manager who seems to have no idea what he's doing, so that's all he will be remembered for.
Imagine this scenario: its 2042, Man City have struggled for a bit after Pep Guardialo's 20 year amazing reign, ending with a quintuplet....
They turn to Aguroe as their new manager and things go a bit 'tits up'.
Would the Man City fans suddenly forget about Agurrooooooooooo (2012) and turn on the guy?
Of course not. They would say thanks for giving it a go, you were a great striker but a mediocre manager, cheers and you are welcome at the Etihad (as a fan) anytime you like....
If Man Utd. fans keep turning on their current manager in the ways I have seen recently on here, it doesn't reflect badly on OGS but it does make the Utd. supporters look a bit churlish.
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