I don't mean that you or any others are supporting the Glazers. But people who say they would stop supporting the club if Saudis take over and anyone not against the Saudi takeover are some sort of glory hunters is a bit over the top.
Because the Saudi's are in a totally different league to the Glazers? It's not rocket science.
The Arms trafficking business is not exclusive to the US. European nations such as Russia, France, Britain and Germany are equally responsible. Not to mention Asia where China and South Korea have an active hand in the business.
I think it's intellectually dishonest to deny that the vast majority of those who would support Saudi ownership would so because they want more resources.
We would all hope that was the case, but with Saudi ownership even with that level of funding success is still not guaranteed.
I would like to think people don't mean it literally but I suspect some might. If someone is happy with taking money from the likes of the Saudi regime just to win. Then its not a stretch to think there are other lines they wouldn't care in being crossed to win.
True but not everything that is legal is moral.
I guess your relieved that you are at par to Russia and China in arming a regime like Saudi Arabia with weapons and training. They might never be able to emulate the violent past the likes of the UK had during the heights of their empire. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try and help them reach that goals right?
Which is why I said it is all about drawing the line.
As players fees go up and up are the glazers going to keep upping the amount of transfer money so we keep up with the cities psgs etc? I don't think so
let's hope it plays out like thatNo. I'm not saying that, you misunderstand me.
I'm saying that, with our current investment, we're perfectly capable of competing. In fact, we're under-achieving massively given our total spend.
To start competing again we need to put a modern football structure in place. We need to move on from the Fergie years and accept we're unlikely to get that kind of manager again, so we need to appoint a DoF and make sure our army of new scouts are being listened to.
Can the Glazers oversee that kind of structure? Well they've certainly revamped our scouting and academy networks, and all the talk is that they're going to appoint a DoF too. So perhaps we should give them a chance?
I was massively opposed to the Glazers 10 years ago - that summer when we sold Ronaldo and bought Valencia is the most damaging summer we've had since I started supporting United in 1990. But, to be fair to them, the debt's under control and they've turned us into an operation that can compete with the oil princes without needing one ourselves. Unless a United-supporting billionaire, or consortium, wants to buy the club I'd suggest they're our best option for now. We certainly don't want to become a pawn in a Middle Eastern power game like City or PSG.
EDIT: Although I would be happy for the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund to take us over. After all, we've got a Norwegian manager so would be a nice synergy.
Do you think if they owned United they would stop or buy less weapons?
Oh come on. Why would anyone be okay with the Saudi's taking over the club if it weren't for their vast resources? And you just didn't ONLY say supporters. You specifically said:
This really shouldn't strike a nerve, but if you feel the need to ignore me why not just do it without announcing it to the world? I'm a random, irrelevant, anonymous person on a forum. Neither of us will lose any sleep by it and I doubt anyone one else cares.
Crazy logic.
No. However I find it ridiculous how you're saying that the Glazers shouldn't sell our club to a regime when probably your own government (the one you voted for) does that on a yearly basis, not for football but to provide them the tools to kill innocent people
My point is simple to understand really. The moment the club was sold to capitalists then the next move was pretty much inevitable. If you think the likes of the Glazers gives a feck about what MackRobinson or devilish think then think again.
As we have already established, Western civilization is not solely responsible for the exportation of arms so can you please stop implying it.
As said I am glad our standards are at par with those of China and Russia.
They might even arm us for Liverpool away.
You imply that by selling arms to an inherently evil and backward civilisation such as Saudi Arabia, this miraculously absolves them of any fault or responsibility for their actions.
Tis true. Too many United fans sat on their hands and ignored the writing on the wall. Even got a decent return on the compulsory sale of shares when Glazers took over, which I wasn’t necessarily expecting. Sad. I just don’t think anyone realised the perilous position Edwards had put us in.
Have I said that? What I said is that its highly hypocritical to criticise something we cannot change especially when we're turning a blind eye on what we can change (ie by voting people who actually refuse to arm these aholes).
We're not the ones bringing politics into football, that would be the Saudi Arabian government should they ever attempt to take ownership of our club. We all know the only reason they would consider such an option is to get one up on their bitter rivals in the UAE, and set about repairing their heavily tarnished image in the process. We would become the laughing stock of football.
If you thought opposition to the Glazer's was bad, wait until SA attempt a takeover.
Happy to be educated, but don't think UAE is a bitter rival for them at all. Qatar is different.
Sorry, that's who I meant
No worries, I suspect that if this interest is real, it will indeed be as a status/prestige symbol to at least match the assets of their neighbors.Sorry, that's who I meant
Have you got next weeks lottery numbers while you are at it?
Yep we are. We're the ones discussing the future of a football club we never bothered to own and expect ruthless capitalists who don't give a feck about devilish or random task to sell the club to people we want rather then make maximum profit out of it.
That is quite a jump in logic. Private ownership = ownership by a murderous regime. It's a false equivalency of the most absurd order. What the Glazers think about the fans is irrelevant and literally the opposite of what we are discussing. We are talking about fans drawing a line in the sand for their support of a football club (in the case ownership by a murderous regime) and somehow you are attempting to equate the Glazers with the Saudis. I mean if it allows you to sleep better at night then more power to you, but it's a ridiculous comparison.
We can still own the club if we want to. We just need to collect enough wealthy fans who can come up with the money. Same as it would have been in 2005. Not sure why you seem to think that was our chance and now there is no chance.
How is that relevant to anything?
Some people here have said they'll stop supporting the club, going to games or buying any merchandise. Stop clicking on "Pogba Vs Jose" kinda links on Dailymail.
