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Another one bites the dust
The Summer of *Massive Change
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Another one bites the dust
Bizarrely, he probably did a good job, because our "business" is actually pretty damn good.
It's our on-pitch performances which are terrible.
Could be truly massive if the Jim Ratcliffe rumours are true
Saw those doing the rounds also but I think it's more hope than anything concrete
I think it’s rather nice that we haven’t been hearing about a warchest or being able to do things other clubs can only dream of, actually.
Those briefs were so stupid that you have to wonder if it was a rival trying to sabotage us and make our lives harder.
Nah. Just Ed. I have no doubt that he meant well
A casual Liverpool fan I knew said it'd be his nightmare if this guy took us over.
You're gonna have a meltdown when you find out he's having a month's holiday, and starting work in late July.
Did they say why?
I mean, practically anyone is an upgrade on the Glazers. I don't believe the rumours as I just can't see a reason they'd want to sell at this point.
He thinks Radcliffe would get us ship shape asap.
Disagree, we have had make or break summers for a few years now and failed, even last year,w e signed 3 quality players but didnt sign a central midfielder when we needed two and failed to ship out a fair few players who should have been. Failed every window I feel bar Mourinhos first an deven that wa sa player or two short.
That is why we ARE now broken, failure ot move players on, failure to sign the right players on the whole and over paying for them as well and certainly not signing enough players any single window bar maybe LVG who made poor signings.
We will really struggle to MAKE a team this summer even with 7 astute signings, we can only repair what is broken and make serious progression
This dude is definitely moving on of his own accord, camera at the Youth FA Cup match caught him and Richard Arnold chatting and laughing in the stands
Underway!
Woodward, Judge, some other accountant, head scouts, Ralf, Cavani, Matic, Pogba and Lingard confirmed as gone.
Woodward, Judge, some other accountant, head scouts, Ralf, Cavani, Matic, Pogba and Lingard confirmed as gone.
Are we finally sorting ourselves out and getting rid of those who needed to go?
Cautiously optimistic so far.
Cautiously optimistic so far.
Hopefully these are people that needed to go and not people who are jumping off a sinking ship
Even if we are sinking I'm still glad to be rid of the likes of Pogba and Lingard.
For sure, they needed to go regardless. Squad wise we have a bunch of players that simply have to go regardless of what happens upstairs
Paul, Ringord, Nemanjohn, Haralfson... almost feels like the Beatles breaking up. Almost.
Both Cavani and Matic themselves have confirmed that they're leaving.
I think this is the list so far:
Staff
Woodward
Tseayo
Judge
Lawlor
Bout
Wood
Rangnick
Armas
Players
Grant
Matic
Pogba
Lingard
Cavani
Potentially Martial, Bailly, Wan-Bissaka, Mata, Henderson, Telles, Tuanzebe and Mengi to go also
I'd add Phelan, Jones and Williams to that list, but take Martial off. It will take a miracle to get rid of him this summer.
Yep, forgot about them. I think Williams will get the pre season to prove himself, but I do think Martial will be sent out on loan again
I guess another loan is feasible. After what happened at Sevilla we are going to be paying 90% of his wages though.
Ten Hag hasn’t been linked with any under the radar cheap young talent, so is he the opposite of Ralf? Does he want big signings all around the Squad?
That's still better than paying 100% of his wages and having him hanging around the training ground
I totally agree.
Honestly, I wouldn't complain if we paid someone to take him away.
Thanks i had seen the Matic comments and assumed it would be straightforward, but we do actually have an option. In 2020 he signed a 2+1 option. With his statement I'm assuming we have mutually agreed not to exercise, but in theory we could if someone was willing to pay something for him.
I hadn't see the Cavani statement, but he was on a 1+1 I believe and that expires and clear from statement on Man Utd page that he is gone.
He would have notified Utd well before this that he was leaving or if he was let go Utd would have done the same.
Agree with just about all of this apart from Rashford.
If your the UTD management do you really believe:
1. Anyone pays big money for Rashford with the form he has shown. £30 million would be an amazing result I think.
2. He is somehow going to turn it all around and become an integral part of the team going forward
3. That the £200k pw is not much better saved/spent elsewhere.
4. His continued presence will be not be an unwelcome distraction for ETH.
I cannot see a single positive to keeping him. We are getting zero if we keep him another season.
Surely they can see that.
So just quickly, Cavani, Lingard, Pogba, Mata and Matic, how much is that in wages per week? Sounds like there will be further changes on the playing side, but what do those initial outgoings equate to on a weekly basis?
obviously add Grant in to that, but presume that’s in the weeds in comparison.
obviously add Grant in to that, but presume that’s in the weeds in comparison.
He doesn't have to completely turn it around to the extent that he is what we all hoped he would become. He just has to put up better numbers and performances than last season, which a) is difficult not to achieve and b) there is some cause for optimism due to a new manager.
If we sell him this summer we'd get bugger all. We'd be selling him at his lowest possible stock, which generally is not going to create a very active marketplace for a player. We need to start making proactive moves when players are at high or at least reasonable stock. We're constantly reactive in the sales market and then we start criticising the fees and our inability to sell, however that is a natural consequence of our strategy. The best negotiator in the world can't redeem a system where players are hoarded and "value protected" by overly optimistic contract renewals on inflated wages.
I think with Cavani having left, Greenwood having to be assumed to remain unavailable, and Martial being Martial, it would be a risky move to sell Rashford too. But I think I’m the long term he doesn’t have a future as a starter.
Certainly not on his form over the last couple of seasons. As you allude to, we look very light across the front. He also has a Sancho problem in that neither player looks good on the right.
Was just about ask the same question. Rough guesses in my head are:
Pogba - £250k
Cavani - £200k
Mata - £150k (although maybe not the past year on his extension)
Matic - £150k
Lingard - £125k
Chuck in Grant & any one/two from AWB, Bailly, Henderson, Martial etc we’d probably be clearing over £1m a week.
All guesswork on my part though
Consider the possibility that we replace all these "senior players" with 2nd rate "gems in the rough" from God-knows-where, ala Amad etc....we will in nett become a 4th rate team!
Sure, we beat our chest and shout lets go we got Ten Hag, its 10 more hags that you....then come mid season it looks more like Moyes the II......
Sure, we beat our chest and shout lets go we got Ten Hag, its 10 more hags that you....then come mid season it looks more like Moyes the II......
Could there be a useful role for Carrick? He’s enjoyed the break he richly deserved, and he showed a thing or two during his short spell as manager.
I don't know, he seems stingy as feck.
Is at least a fan but o don't know if that's enough to be honest .