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Surely a fake news, right?Dems' Response Beat Trump's Wall Speech in TV Ratings
http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/dems-beat-trump-tv-ratings-wall-speech-oval-office/
Surely a fake news, right?Dems' Response Beat Trump's Wall Speech in TV Ratings
http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/dems-beat-trump-tv-ratings-wall-speech-oval-office/
It'll be the day of reckoning for the GOP if Trump loses badly in 2020. The "traditional conservative" is a dying breed and what they have left is a far right voter base. However, it is not big enough to bring them huge electoral wins. So, they'll have to adopt policies than can bring the independents to their side, but that might not to acceptable to the Trump voter. IMO, GOP will need to reinvent itself post 2020. There are merits in some of the conservative & libertarian principles. It'll be interesting to see if they can steer the base back to those values, while roping in some of the independents, instead of the current cultural nonsense they are engaged in.Do you think if there is no wall and Trump is defeated in 2020 that future GOP candidates will adopt a border wall as a party policy or close that chapter with Trump?
GOP think the wall is a waste of money now. So i don't think they will continue on with it .Do you think if there is no wall and Trump is defeated in 2020 that future GOP candidates will adopt a border wall as a party policy or close that chapter with Trump?
There was a pretty good article in the atlantic that said GOP voter base used to be the educated working class who wanted lesser taxes and more business friendly government. Now their voter base is increasingly blue collar, lower income people who previously used to vote democrat while the white collared professionals shifted to the Democrat side. Like it or not they'll have to be more populist if that holds.It'll be the day of reckoning for the GOP if Trump loses badly in 2020. The "traditional conservative" is a dying breed and what they have left is a far right voter base. However, it is not big enough to bring them huge electoral wins. So, they'll have to adopt policies than can bring the independents to their side, but that might not to acceptable to the Trump voter. IMO, GOP will need to reinvent itself post 2020. There are merits in some of the conservative & libertarian principles. It'll be interesting to see if they can steer the base back to those values, while roping in some of the independents, instead of the current cultural nonsense they are engaged in.
First thing that Dems should ask for on that budget is back pay for all the Federal employees who have had to manage without wages while this ridiculous stand off plays out.I'd give Trump his wall but get path to citizenship for DACA recipients, tax credits for renewable energy, campaign finance reform, new collective bargaining rules and a non-partisan committee to draw maps and stop gerrymandering in return.
The biggest trick the GOP has pulled (is pulling) is making climate change & income redistribution a taboo for the people who are the most affected by climate change & need income redistribution the most. And then they have kept them occupied with cultural issues & by instilling fear and loathing for the "other". They can decide to double down and be more populist but that will only bring diminishing returns, imo. In the future the base will keep shrinking & it'll keep becoming harder for them to win if they don't mend their ways.There was a pretty good article in the atlantic that said GOP voter base used to be the educated working class who wanted lesser taxes and more business friendly government. Now their voter base is increasingly blue collar, lower income people who previously used to vote democrat while the white collared professionals shifted to the Democrat side. Like it or not they'll have to be more populist if that holds.
I'll deny that til I'm blue in the face. The only thing a barrier would stop is someone who doesn't have $200 for a plane ticket, the contacts to get access to a tunnel or is unable to climb a ladder, and that's about it.Did you not see the official National Border Patrol Council come out in favour of the wall just a few days ago?
In return can I ask you for proof that most illegal immigrants are trafficked through air, sea and via Canada?
If a wall wouldn't work why did the Democrats vote through 700 miles of border in 2006, and why did the Obama administration want to add additional barriers in 2009 on the remaining 1300 miles at $7bn? Why does the Israel/Egyptian wall work so well, why has anyone in the history of mankind ever bothered to build a wall? It obviously wouldn't stop all illegal movement but don't deny that it would push expenses and difficulty levels for illegal operators towards levels that are unsustainable. Or that $5bn isn't a ludicrous sum in the overall context of the USA's financial power.
Let's face it, this isn't a wall thing. This is another liberal I don't like Trump thing.
Not just to the Trump, voter but the GOP itself. Adopting policies which might widen their voter base would mean to abandon their core dogma of screwing over the vast majority in favor of their billionaire puppet masters.It'll be the day of reckoning for the GOP if Trump loses badly in 2020. The "traditional conservative" is a dying breed and what they have left is a far right voter base. However, it is not big enough to bring them huge electoral wins. So, they'll have to adopt policies than can bring the independents to their side, but that might not to acceptable to the Trump voter.
They would, can't see it happening though any time soon, though.IMO, GOP will need to reinvent itself post 2020.
The GOP hasn't given 2 shites about principles and integrity since the Nixon days.There are merits in some of the conservative & libertarian principles. It'll be interesting to see if they can steer the base back to those values, while roping in some of the independents, instead of the current cultural nonsense they are engaged in.
Just wait till the next indictment drops. He is wasting his time if he thinks he can keep Mueller out of the news permanently. Don't even think Mueller cares.Trump wants a fight, any fight, so people aren't talking about his investigation. And it's working, literally days ago it was revealed his campaign manager shared polling data with Russian intelligence.
Which would be a big deal and dominate news except...oh yeah he's creating a bigger story.
As to the nature of the fight, it fits in with his main tool: fear the others. And his other tool, Stephen Miller.
Personally I think he's clocked the first point and will use a national emergency to keep the sheep looking away from the Mueller case.
The thing about trump is that is a double edged sword.It'll be the day of reckoning for the GOP if Trump loses badly in 2020. The "traditional conservative" is a dying breed and what they have left is a far right voter base. However, it is not big enough to bring them huge electoral wins. So, they'll have to adopt policies than can bring the independents to their side, but that might not to acceptable to the Trump voter. IMO, GOP will need to reinvent itself post 2020. There are merits in some of the conservative & libertarian principles. It'll be interesting to see if they can steer the base back to those values, while roping in some of the independents, instead of the current cultural nonsense they are engaged in.
Melanie will be watching for her time in 2021
Wait. Where is he at the moment?
He couldn't truly wait for it, could he?
It was only a matter of time.
& Ivanka , Machete style.I hope bezos bangs Melania.
Indeed. There's an irony to all this in that many rich Republicans who advocate tax cuts don't really want all that much done about illegal immigration because they know the minute it's actually cracked down on their own profits margins will be hurt. Although I'm sure a few of them are stupid enough that they don't realise this and are inadvertently fecking themselves over.Yawn.... it’s all so boring.
For the millionth time.
America doesn’t have an illegal migrant problem.
It has a cnuty attitude to getting menial chores done. There are whole towns underpinned by off the books gardeners, nanny’s, Manual workers, the list goes on.
America’s thirst for capitalism has a need for cheaper and cheaper people to undertake the shitty tasks that a lazy populace thinks are beneath them.
Put the people that employ illegal immigrants in prison and the whole problem goes away.
I’ve never seen a dumber country.
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"During the campaign I said Mexico would pay for the wall, I obviously didn't say this"
Would still need 2/3s of the house to override the veto. But I agree with you. The fight should be with mitch, not trump.In reality, the shutdown isn’t Trump vs Dems. It’s Dems vs McConnell. The bill has already passed the Senate, it’s a GOP bill.
If McConnell wasn’t obstructing it, it’s got enough support in the senate to cruise through.
I have never seen a liar like this.
There were debates on this when they did the fence in 2006, they came up with an estimate that upkeep on it would cost $20B over the next 10 years or so. So its not just a question of funding a wall that he is asking for, its also the upkeep that subsequently comes afterwards.As an outside observer I actually think he will get his wall
It's "only"
$6bn
There is around 150million tax payers in America
So what is it $40 per tax payer
It will probably take at least 4 years to build
So basically less than a dollar a month
That's probably worth opening up the government it's self in terms of getting the dollar level raised by not being in shutdown
Plus it's going through take a couple of years to get the full land access and planning permission so the Dems are not actually giving away anything in reality
I'm sure they know this but it's now basically a politically charged pisibg contest and I can't see trump backing down