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Suedesi said:
Being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

Anyways, on the margins... Clinton won Colorado by ~70k votes, Maine by ~20k, Minnesota by ~40k, New Hampshire by ~3000 votes, so 130k swing would have made the result even worse.

I don't know if Comey swung the election more than the bus tape did. At the end of the day she was a fundamentally weak candidate, that should have never have been there in the first place. Bernie would have won it all if it wasn't for the DNC machinations.
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Trump campaign ran 5.9 million Facebook ads.
Clinton campaign ran 66K Facebook ads.

While every election is a combination of dozens and dozens of factors, that swung the election more than anything else.
 

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I don't get this thing about how Bernie would have won, nobody wanted Bernie. He can't even win the primaries, DNC or no DNC if you can't even beat Joe Biden you can't beat the Trump of 4 years ago. They could have voted him this time but they go for sleepy Joe.

The biggest assumption is that Majority Americans wants M4A, they don't. Just because some of DNC voters are Liberals and pro LGBT doesn't mean they want to pay for medicare for the poor.

Bernie is just the old guy harping about the good days of what ifs but no one will ever take him seriously.

This answer may be hard for some Americans to swallow, but the current health care system in the USA is a legacy of slavery.

Think about it from an outsider’s perspective, the rest of the developed world has legislated towards universal health care, but the USA is the only outlier. Moreover, the USA was the only developed country with such a large slave population per capita. They didn’t want freed slaves to vote, nor go to the same schools or live in the same neighbourhoods, and Jim Crow laws persisted into the 60’s.

Considering all this and many more mechanisms of oppression not mentioned, do you think the bourgeoisie and those in power have any interest contributing for equitable health care for this segment of the population? Of course lobbyists and not wanting to “take a pay cut”, as others have answered, are a huge factor preventing change at the moment. But this is one of the many legacies of slavery in the USA.

Other anomalies like guns laws and tipping for service in the USA can be explained the same way. Many cultures can claim the need for guns because of hunting culture, but the USA has such a large underclass it was threatened by, and the culture of guns persisted, just as it does in many developing nations with a large underclass.

Regarding tipping, freed slaves were not allowed to earn a wage as porters initially, and as a result could only earn tips. Now the practice of tipping persists today in the USA hospitality and service sector and new comers must navigate a complicated tipping system across society as opposed to just having businesses pay a livable wage.

The legacy of slavery can also be used to explain the poor welfare state, the high prison population and many other anomalies in the USA, when compared to other OECD/developed nations.

Edit: forgot mention the electoral college as well
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There’s a lot of different reasons why Americans are against universal health care.

  1. Doctors and hospitals see how horrible Medicare is. It’s hard to get paid and when they do get paid, they don’t get paid much. There are doctors who don’t accept Medicare patients because of this. Doctors like mine end up covering the cost of their Medicare patients by raising their price on their non-Medicare patients. Yep…it’s a form of socialism where the people who can’t pay are getting services that are paid by someone who can pay. US hospitals do this all the time.
  2. There are doctors and the public who are against universal healthcare because it will only cause people to pay less attention to prevention and more on treatment. The idea behind it is if there’s a huge penalty for getting sick, then people are going to do more preventative healthcare and take better care of themselves.
  3. Americans look to the country to their south. Mexico has universal healthcare, but they also have private healthcare. People Mexico prefer to go to private doctors and hospitals because they’re better than the government ones. Poor people go to the government run hospitals and doctors. Rich people go to private doctors and hospitals. Some people in the US argue that you can’t make private doctors and hospitals illegal if there’s universal healthcare, so you will end up with 2 classes of citizens just like in Mexico.
  4. Younger people ages 18 to 24 don’t want universal healthcare because they don’t get sick as much, so they don’t want to pay for it. When my grandma was offering health insurance, only 2 employees in this age group took it. That’s because they had a wife and kid. The rest of them said no.
  5. The US government is horrible at managing anything. Social security is going bankrupt, US postal service is going bankrupt, the VA is all screwed up and has a backlog, Medicare paperwork and payment is brutal, the EPA is a total joke, and federal mandated school lunches are total crap.
  6. Insurance companies don’t want universal healthcare because they’ll loose profits….lots of profits.
  7. The US is a lawsuit happy country. The thing is the laws don’t explain everything, so that’s where the courts come in. There are people against universal healthcare because doctors and hospital are going to be run by the government. If it’s run by the federal government, the big question is can you sue the federal government or its employees if there’s malpractice.
  8. State government control. There are people who don’t want the federal government having control over doctors and hospitals in their state. They either want to keep it private or have it state controlled.
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A history of Trump's racism. He is not just "transactional". He is a racist and always was:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

" Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Trump emerged as a political force owing to his full-throated embrace of “birtherism,” the false charge that the nation’s first black president, Barack Obama, was not born in the United States. "
 

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One of his latest tweets was along the lines of 'nobody knows more than me about Roger Ailes dying'.
 

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Trump threatens to defund the military to defend Confederate generals



Trump knows that renaming Fort Bragg is not scary enough, so as to add "plus other bad things"
 

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Geez...

Homeland Security announces task force to protect monuments

'Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad F. Wolf, has announced the formation of a “special task force to coordinate Departmental law enforcement agency assets in protecting…historic monuments, memorials, statues, and federal facilities”.

In a statement issued Wednesday, Acting Secretary Wolf says:

DHS is answering the President’s call to use our law enforcement personnel across the country to protect our historic landmarks. We won’t stand idly by while violent anarchists and rioters seek not only to vandalize and destroy the symbols of our nation, but to disrupt law and order and sow chaos in our communities.

The DHS Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT) will, according to the statement, “conduct ongoing assessments of potential civil unrest or destruction and allocate resources to protect people and property. This may involve potential surge activity to ensure the continuing protection of critical locations.”

Wolf says: “As we approach the 4 July holiday, I have directed the deployment and pre-positioning of Rapid Deployment Teams (RDT) across the country to respond to potential threats to facilities and property.”'

(Guardian)
 

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'Meanwhile, the Stupid Endless Acronyms virus continues to plague America.'
 

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SteveJ said:
Geez...

Homeland Security announces task force to protect monuments

'Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad F. Wolf, has announced the formation of a “special task force to coordinate Departmental law enforcement agency assets in protecting…historic monuments, memorials, statues, and federal facilities”.

In a statement issued Wednesday, Acting Secretary Wolf says:

DHS is answering the President’s call to use our law enforcement personnel across the country to protect our historic landmarks. We won’t stand idly by while violent anarchists and rioters seek not only to vandalize and destroy the symbols of our nation, but to disrupt law and order and sow chaos in our communities.

The DHS Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT) will, according to the statement, “conduct ongoing assessments of potential civil unrest or destruction and allocate resources to protect people and property. This may involve potential surge activity to ensure the continuing protection of critical locations.”

Wolf says: “As we approach the 4 July holiday, I have directed the deployment and pre-positioning of Rapid Deployment Teams (RDT) across the country to respond to potential threats to facilities and property.”'

(Guardian)
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Only a matter of time before Boris does something similar. And it will only increase his popularity amongst racist idiots.
 

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Only a matter of time before Boris does the same. And it will only increase his popularity amongst racist idiots.
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And yet he failed to mention the anniversary of the Battle of the Somme in today's session. What a patriot...
 

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The fact that the leader of this task force is named Chad is brilliant. Only Karen would top it.
 

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It would make a great social experiment. See the level they go to for someone spraying BLM and someone spraying a swastika.
 

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SteveJ said:
Geez...

Homeland Security announces task force to protect monuments

'Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad F. Wolf, has announced the formation of a “special task force to coordinate Departmental law enforcement agency assets in protecting…historic monuments, memorials, statues, and federal facilities”.

In a statement issued Wednesday, Acting Secretary Wolf says:

DHS is answering the President’s call to use our law enforcement personnel across the country to protect our historic landmarks. We won’t stand idly by while violent anarchists and rioters seek not only to vandalize and destroy the symbols of our nation, but to disrupt law and order and sow chaos in our communities.

The DHS Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT) will, according to the statement, “conduct ongoing assessments of potential civil unrest or destruction and allocate resources to protect people and property. This may involve potential surge activity to ensure the continuing protection of critical locations.”

Wolf says: “As we approach the 4 July holiday, I have directed the deployment and pre-positioning of Rapid Deployment Teams (RDT) across the country to respond to potential threats to facilities and property.”'

(Guardian)
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Shit like this occurs when every department head is ‘Acting.’
 

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Let's talk about Senate Republicans and a Trump tweet....


Once again it seems Dems are silent.
 
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