Pogue Mahone
The caf's Camus.
Don’t think I’d ever heard him speak before he randomly turned up on Celebrity Gogglebox last week. Came across as a total geebag, unsurprisingly.Yeah alright Lozza
Don’t think I’d ever heard him speak before he randomly turned up on Celebrity Gogglebox last week. Came across as a total geebag, unsurprisingly.Yeah alright Lozza
That sounds horribly like the vaccinator (or the receptionist or whoever) has covid and something went badly wrong on the PPE front..Getting the jab this morning.
I have heard on the grapevine also though that in a local health Trust here there is due to be an emergency meeting this week because several patients in a local facility tested positive for covid about 10 days after receiving the vaccine. Could be nothing because my understanding is that the first jab wont necessarily stop you getting the virus, but should at least mean you get a milder disease.
Yeah it could be that - as you can imagine there will be an inquest over it - rightly so.That sounds horribly like the vaccinator (or the receptionist or whoever) has covid and something went badly wrong on the PPE front.
Unfortunately in the first week after the first dose of the vaccine, the immune response is very weak. You wouldn't expect it to limit the effects of the virus if you get it during that time period, never mind stop you from getting infected.Getting the jab this morning.
I have heard on the grapevine also though that in a local health Trust here there is due to be an emergency meeting this week because several patients in a local facility tested positive for covid about 10 days after receiving the vaccine. Could be nothing because my understanding is that the first jab wont necessarily stop you getting the virus, but should at least mean you get a milder disease.
RBD-binding IgG concentrations and SARS-CoV-2-neutralizing titres were assessed at baseline, at 7 and 21 days after the first dose, at 7 days (day 28) and 14 days (day 35) after the second dose of BNT162b1 By 21 days after the first dose (for all three dose levels), geometric mean concentrations (GMCs) of RBD-binding IgG ranged from 534 to 1,778 U ml−1 (Fig. 4a). In comparison, a panel of 38 SARS-CoV-2 infection and/or COVID-19 convalescent sera drawn at least 14 days after a PCR-confirmed diagnosis from patients with COVID-19 (18–83 years of age) had an RBD-binding IgG GMC of 602 U ml−1.
For all doses, small increases in SARS-CoV-2-neutralizing geometric mean titres (GMTs) were observed 21 days after the first dose (Fig. 4b). Substantially greater serum neutralizing GMTs were achieved 7 days after the second 10-μg and 30-μg dose, reaching 168–267. Neutralizing GMTs further increased by 14 days after the second dose to 180 (10-μg dose level) and 437 (30-μg dose level), compared to 94 for the panel of human convalescent sera. The kinetics and durability of the neutralizing titres are being monitored.
That's nuts, exceptionally poor but they're the most vaccine sceptic country in Europe.France has vaccinated just 516 people as of this weekend. Despite having 500,000 doses. Apparently 6 out of 10 surveyed intend refusing a vaccine when offered. Shocking stuff. Any theories as to why they’re such an outlier?
It was noted before the pandemic that France has one of the lowest confidence levels in vaccination programmes in Western Europe. I'm pretty sure I've seen some data on it, I'll try to dig it out later this afternoon.France has vaccinated just 516 people as of this weekend. Despite having 500,000 doses. Apparently 6 out of 10 surveyed intend refusing a vaccine when offered. Shocking stuff. Any theories as to why they’re such an outlier?
@Pogue Mahone https://www.france24.com/en/20190619-france-has-lowest-levels-trust-vaccines-globallyIt was noted before the pandemic that France has one of the lowest confidence levels in vaccination programmes in Western Europe. I'm pretty sure I've seen some data on it, I'll try to dig it out later this afternoon.
I’m mainly curious as to why they’re so sceptical? Maybe need to check with someone French?It was noted before the pandemic that France has one of the lowest confidence levels in vaccination programmes in Western Europe. I'm pretty sure I've seen some data on it, I'll try to dig it out later this afternoon.
I don't know. As I said in an other thread I don't know a single person that would be in that category. And vaccinations have only actually started this weekend and it was supposed to start yesterday for care homes.I’m mainly curious as to why they’re so sceptical? Maybe need to check with someone French?
@JPRouve
Load of bollocks from ScoMo. Aus weren’t first in the vaccine queue so trying to spin it as caution.Australian PM vows not to 'cut corners... like UK'
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has vowed not to take "unnecessary risks" in rolling out its vaccination programme - and suggested that the UK has.
The Australian government is aiming to give the first vaccine doses by the end of March, despite once boasting Australia would be "at the front of the queue" for any vaccine.
But Morrison is defending the timetable, saying the world's hardest-hit countries, such as the UK, are rushing the process.
"Australia is not in an emergency situation like the United Kingdom. So we don't have to cut corners. We don't have to take unnecessary risks," he told local radio 3AW.
The UK is "in the very early phases" of the vaccine rollout and "they've had quite a few problems, and they're doing it on an emergency basis", he added.
He went on to incorrectly allege that the UK is not testing batches of doses before they are distributed.
Before a batch can be used by the NHS, it has to be checked and certified by the Medicines and Healthcare Products regulatory Agency. It can be several weeks to make sure it meets quality standards before the vaccine can be given to the NHS to put in people's arms.
Australia has been largely successful in eliminating community transmission but is currently battling to contain small clusters of the disease in Sydney and Melbourne.
When he talks about the “emergency basis” and refers to batches I think he’s alluding to the unusual way in which the MHRA are approving these vaccines. They’re doing batch specific emergency temporary approvals. Which is, theoretically, more restrictive than the more general, longer term approvals the EMA (and presumably Australian regulators) are doing. I’m not sure it makes much of a practical difference, mind you.Load of bollocks from ScoMo. Aus weren’t first in the vaccine queue so trying to spin it as caution.
A significant part of the population doesn't trust political elites for various reasons such as:I’m mainly curious as to why they’re so sceptical? Maybe need to check with someone French? @JPRouve
My parents live down in the Var now, and don't understand why everyone is so reluctant. If they could, they'd go and get jabbed tomorrow. They tell me the process is also fairly long-winded - pre-vaccination counselling, and a detailed consent form, before you get jabbed (totally open to the idea that this isn't fully correct - I think my dad discovered YouTube last year).A significant part of the population doesn't trust political elites for various reasons such as:
- French Gvt inconsistent from A to Z (for example, saying PPE masks were useless before making it mandatory outside, etc.)
- Historical heritage: revolution, Kings decapitated, protests, dissertation at schools, etc.
- Scandals in the healthcare sector: blood transfusion scandals, etc,
- Mediterranean country: colonisation heritage and geography
The consequences are the:
- Mainstream media more critical to attract audience: generally speaking, a political debate in the UK is relatively consensual compared to the equivalent in France which is much more confrontational, ironical and aggressive.
- Conspiracy theories/alternative thinking are more popular
- Police and fines are needed to enforce the law and lockdown i.e. in other Mediterranean countries like Morocco, the army is required in the streets...
- French Gvt is blamed whatever they do by opposition parties
- Political U-turns are badly perceived
- High abstention from voting
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Your parents are right about the long-winded process which is explained by different reasons.My parents live down in the Var now, and don't understand why everyone is so reluctant. If they could, they'd go and get jabbed tomorrow. They tell me the process is also fairly long-winded - pre-vaccination counselling, and a detailed consent form, before you get jabbed (totally open to the idea that this isn't fully correct - I think my dad discovered YouTube last year).
I am sure that the list of eligible people will be quickly expanded.My parents live down in the Var now, and don't understand why everyone is so reluctant. If they could, they'd go and get jabbed tomorrow. They tell me the process is also fairly long-winded - pre-vaccination counselling, and a detailed consent form, before you get jabbed (totally open to the idea that this isn't fully correct - I think my dad discovered YouTube last year).
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Provided they can approve the batches quickly enough that it doesn't hold back the roll-out, there's no issue here. Batch-testing for now seems very sensible. I do wonder at what point they would have enough data for a general approval.Tweet
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Great progress by them, unfortunately soured by the fact they've excluded Palestinians from receiving the jabs, even opting to give them to the illegal settlers:Israel has apparently vaccinated 1.8 million, which is brilliant progress even compared to western countries.
The irony of ironies being all Israelis are infected by 5G Bill Gates virus after all and the Palestinians watch them all melt away.Great progress by them, unfortunately soured by the fact they've excluded Palestinians from receiving the jabs, even opting to give them to the illegal settlers:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-jabs-go-to-settlers
The Palestinian Authority is the sole civil authority for around 97% of the Palestinian population of the West Bank, and as the article mentions, they haven’t requested help or coordination from Israel. And according to this, they may not have the infrastructure to store the Pfizer vaccine anyway.Great progress by them, unfortunately soured by the fact they've excluded Palestinians from receiving the jabs, even opting to give them to the illegal settlers:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-jabs-go-to-settlers
@Tony Babangida This is what I was talking about when I mentioned the different approaches of the regulators in the Uk vs EU (and Aus). It’s why your PM was waffling about batches.Tweet
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#scottyfrommarketing is so full of shit. Emergency certification is pointless when you were so slow off the mark that the vaccines won't be delivered early enough in significant enough numbers to make it necessary.Load of bollocks from ScoMo. Aus weren’t first in the vaccine queue so trying to spin it as caution.
Presumably they will just skip over them and move on to the next in line. If the idea is to get to herd immunity then you could argue that the most vulnerable people aren’t the best to target for that strategy anyway as they’re generally the least mobile and come into contact with the least number of people so as long as the vaccine goes to someone else then you could argue that they are only hurting themselves.I get the Uk approach to do the most at risk in rapid time with one dose, then slowly open things up whist doing categories further down the list, it seems like a good plan.
This is around 13 million people or so,, but I wonder what the plan is for those who refuse it, which at 80 % uptake could be just short of 3 million people, it's a lot of people in the most at risk categories to be left exposed to infection, whilst a large part of the population are still spreading it.
Also are they asking people before appointments are made if they're taking it or not, or just hoping they turn up?
I think they have decided that it's too much of a hassle to now change appointments for people who had already been given a vaccine . People who are getting it now are being given a 12 week appointmentSo apparently 20k people in England have had their second dose already. Are the people rolling out the Pfizer vaccines just ignoring the 12 week thing?
My Mum, who works for the NHS, had her first dose Tuesday and was told the second would be in three weeks. She works with and assesses elderly mentally ill (EMI) patients so maybe it’s more a case of protecting them rather than her.So apparently 20k people in England have had their second dose already. Are the people rolling out the Pfizer vaccines just ignoring the 12 week thing?