Ofcourse not, we do not have the winning mentality, you cannot win 2 lose 2 and say you have the winning mentality.I understand, it's logical.
But don't tell me that's a winner mentality, it's not.
Can't be right surely?!Ofcourse not, we do not have the winning mentality, you cannot win 2 lose 2 and say you have the winning mentality.
Winning mentality only comes from winning titles or winning game after game, we have only ever won 4 PL games in a row under Ole. Winning mentality would be winning 10 on the bounce.
Imagine thinking Manutd is a big club and spend millions on players and managers wages and see the fans not 100% confident that we will beat WBA at home.Threads like these are kind of embarassing.
Imagine if Ole or anyone associated with Manchester United football club came on Redcafe and this was the first thing they saw.
Absolutely! This should be one of the first rules of RedCafe . So much conjecture and guesswork going on. Fans seem to pick up bad habits from lazy journalists - it's difficult to have effective discussion when people are inventing their own reality in the absence of facts.You have zero idea of what happens behind closed doors, why bother making things up and focus on the fact what we see is often utter crap.
It's not. He won his first 6 league games in charge.Can't be right surely?!
So no matter the current state of the playing squad, or what part of their development the players are at, we should be challenging for the title on name alone?We're Man Utd and supposedly the biggest club in England, we should be challenging for the title at least in any managers 2nd year. If we had proper owners then they should be expecting the manager to be challenging for the top after 2 years in charge, not flirting with maybe we will make top 4. Ole hasnt improved us one bit position wise from where we were this time last season. I would give him until December and if we are no closer to the top then we should be looking at another manager.
No I mean we shouldnt have been this far away anyway, and to say were supposed to be the biggest club it a disgrace. If we had have had Abromovich or the City lot buy us instead of the Glazers for example we would never have been in this position in the first placewhere hoping we can get into the top 4 is deemed as acceptable.So no matter the current state of the playing squad, or what part of their development the players are at, we should be challenging for the title on name alone?
If this is the bar, then pretty much any manager we get in is doomed to fail.
That's fair enough.No I mean we shouldnt have been this far away anyway, and to say were supposed to be the biggest club it a disgrace. If we had have had Abromovich or the City lot buy us instead of the Glazers for example we would never have been in this position in the first placewhere hoping we can get into the top 4 is deemed as acceptable.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...De Gea has said,the Premier League's top four.Ofcourse not, we do not have the winning mentality, you cannot win 2 lose 2 and say you have the winning mentality.
Winning mentality only comes from winning titles or winning game after game, we have only ever won 4 PL games in a row under Ole. Winning mentality would be winning 10 on the bounce.
Why not focus on how low the team was with Jose, and how we are setting up the direction? Ole is 3rd best on pts in the league since he took over, only Klopp and Pep are above. It says a real story, the real big picture. We are still in contention and we can still close the gap seriously if we focus on improving the little individual errors that cost us that much. But structurally, we are very well set up. There is progress, there is clear indication on what each player is supposed to do in our system. This is a credit for Ole. And throwing all of that away for whoever comes in is not the right answer if we have decided to change and focus on getting back to the top. It doesn't happen overnight. It happens, once you've been focusing on the underlying matters.No I mean we shouldnt have been this far away anyway, and to say were supposed to be the biggest club it a disgrace. If we had have had Abromovich or the City lot buy us instead of the Glazers for example we would never have been in this position in the first placewhere hoping we can get into the top 4 is deemed as acceptable.
That ship has sailed like you say. But Dortmund overplayed their hand and got burnt. They will be lucky to get the 90 mill we offered. He will likely go for 70-80 mill next year. Hopefully we won't go in for him again in Jan for 90 mill. Will be a worse waste of money than Maguire.No he will still be at least £108mill and maybe even more. That ship has sailed as that kid Traore will be here for the RW.
Exactly, he inherited a complete mess. Not helped by all the short-termism that went on before. Despite some severe ups and downs it's clear he's having to rebuild in all sorts of areas.Why not focus on how low the team was with Jose, and how we are setting up the direction? Ole is 3rd best on pts in the league since he took over, only Klopp and Pep are above. It says a real story, the real big picture. We are still in contention and we can still close the gap seriously if we focus on improving the little individual errors that cost us that much. But structurally, we are very well set up. There is progress, there is clear indication on what each player is supposed to do in our system. This is a credit for Ole. And throwing all of that away for whoever comes in is not the right answer if we have decided to change and focus on getting back to the top. It doesn't happen overnight. It happens, once you've been focusing on the underlying matters.
I have no doubt Jose had a winning mentality but on he’s quest he pushed players under the bus which caused the environmental I talk about.I find Jose actually cared about having a winning mentality, hence he pushed his players hard.
Ole on the other hand are too chitty chatty with first name basis, players like Pogba aren't giving him any respect. It won't be long before Bruno got pissed and starts to take matters into his own hand.
In my own humble opinion, sometimes you can't win all the fight. There were times and times again SAF just decided a player is beyond salvage and cut them loose (Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, Beckham)I have no doubt Jose had a winning mentality but on he’s quest he pushed players under the bus which caused the environmental I talk about.
I agree with you that Ole has not been shown respect but that’s he’s own fault and definitely as a manager he has treat the players like he’s the boss and not like he’s mates.
I remember Mourinho Pogba situation and can see players doing the same with Ole as it’s obvious to see some players giving it there all and others just not pulling there weight!
Rubbish. Just because we're Man United doesn't give us the right to win anything, it's an unrealistic expectation.We're Man Utd and supposedly the biggest club in England, we should be challenging for the title at least in any managers 2nd year. If we had proper owners then they should be expecting the manager to be challenging for the top after 2 years in charge, not flirting with maybe we will make top 4. Ole hasnt improved us one bit position wise from where we were this time last season. I would give him until December and if we are no closer to the top then we should be looking at another manager.
Who, apart from Pogba?I have no doubt Jose had a winning mentality but on he’s quest he pushed players under the bus which caused the environmental I talk about.
I agree with you that Ole has not been shown respect but that’s he’s own fault and definitely as a manager he has treat the players like he’s the boss and not like he’s mates.
I remember Mourinho Pogba situation and can see players doing the same with Ole as it’s obvious to see some players giving it there all and others just not pulling there weight!
All the myths about Pogba giving us firepower and that his defensive liability is worth the creativity/productivity have been debunked ever since Bruno joined.In my own humble opinion, sometimes you can't win all the fight. There were times and times again SAF just decided a player is beyond salvage and cut them loose (Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, Beckham)
Pogba has been a constant malaise in our team, his head isn't just in the right direction. The manager has to decide to feck him off, or bench him, or some other more escalating drastic measure because whatever we're doing it's not working. You'll either play your hearts out, or you don't play. This is my beef with Ole, he has no guts to gut Pogba, and stick by it. He should told him it's his way or the highway, and if he ended up being on the losing side then so be it.
Without Pogba you might lose some firepower (actually not, we played much better than him), but a short term pain of benching Pogba would send a long term message to every player that he's a manager that means business.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, my issue isn't about winning the league (or even trophies tbh).Rubbish. Just because we're Man United doesn't give us the right to win anything, it's an unrealistic expectation.
Ole has dropped Pogba and I think that's a gut to drop your 290k p/w player.In my own humble opinion, sometimes you can't win all the fight. There were times and times again SAF just decided a player is beyond salvage and cut them loose (Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, Beckham)
Pogba has been a constant malaise in our team, his head isn't just in the right direction. The manager has to decide to feck him off, or bench him, or some other more escalating drastic measure because whatever we're doing it's not working. You'll either play your hearts out, or you don't play. This is my beef with Ole, he has no guts to gut Pogba, and stick by it. He should told him it's his way or the highway, and if he ended up being on the losing side then so be it.
Without Pogba you might lose some firepower (actually not, we played much better than him), but a short term pain of benching Pogba would send a long term message to every player that he's a manager that means business.
Yep, let's be content with top 4 for ever and drop our standards to rock bottom.Rubbish. Just because we're Man United doesn't give us the right to win anything, it's an unrealistic expectation.
With our owners, that's probably a good idea.Yep, let's be content with top 4 for ever and drop our standards to rock bottom.
You could give Ole a CDM, CB, and a RW and he still wouldn't be close to winning the league. He's simply not good enough.Weird how these fans who say we need to be challenging for the league, we are Manutd are showing so much energy towards the manager.
If you really mean the "we are Manutd, we should challenge for the title" why are they so against the manager? Wasn't it the board who hired Ole? Did the board not know he hasn't won a major trophy in a top league?
Did the board back the manager to win the title? No CDM, No CB, no RW.
I understand criticising the manager for poor performances but saying we are manutd we should never aim for top 4? Maybe direct your energy towards the right people.
You don't really know that though. No one gave him top 4 chance and he got it.You could give Ole a CDM, CB, and a RW and he still wouldn't be close to winning the league. He's simply not good enough.
It would have improved our performances.You could give Ole a CDM, CB, and a RW and he still wouldn't be close to winning the league. He's simply not good enough.
Read the rest of it. I said if we had proper owners. Proper owners who had have invested properley in the club from 2005 onwards we wouldnt be in this position. What other big club in their league never make the top 2-3 every year?Rubbish. Just because we're Man United doesn't give us the right to win anything, it's an unrealistic expectation.
This for me sums it up. We have a chance, we just need to stay close to the top for the 1st half. 2nd half, we will be flying.I don't think so really.
Objectively we have played our best stuff under Ole post SAF.
We can be downright unplayable at times.
Overall it's a strange moment, Pool losing 7-2 yet favourites for a top 2 finish shows everything can happen in this league.
If we build on what we have and swat the smaller teams away like we used to do so routinely we will be well on our way to challenging.
We beat PSG away (twice) and iirc Ole has a winning record v Pep.
Our downfall is not bringing the intensity with enough frequency v the bottom 12 sides or so.
The foundations for an Ole dynasty is there but he does need to breed more consistency into the squad.
Yeah I can see this point. Just a player who can combine Fred and Scott into one (as it seems to take time to improve them both into that 6 role to replace Matic long term) is going to give us the ability to put in Pogba or Vdm along with Bruno. That changes everything in term of offensive phases.It would have improved our performances.
Even if its players by themselves who have to self manage themselves on the pitch as many fans seem to say we do-
We can see that we dont have a CDM that enables a freedom of attacking minded CM like Bruno and Pogba to play together (Zakaria)
Our CB is not good enough and also requires a double pivot of energetic midfielders to play to provide defensive cover in front of them. (Upamecano, Pau torres)
We hardly have any creativity from our wider players are all forwards. (Grealish Sancho)
Say what you want about Ole but the progress as a squad was halted unnecessarily whether we would win the title or not.
Nothing to do with being entitled little brats just because we don't win every game.Yep, let's be content with top 4 for ever and drop our standards to rock bottom.
That's partially true that's why there's a word called ambition. I'm not knocking Solskjaer but what ambition does he show to win anything significant ? The longer Ole is here the less he can use time as an excuse.Nothing to do with being entitled little brats just because we don't win every game.
We have no divine right to win, period.
No club has divine right to win but the biggest club in UK and one of the biggest clubs in the world with top 3 in revenue should be aiming for titles every year or at least challenge for titles.Nothing to do with being entitled little brats just because we don't win every game.
We have no divine right to win, period.
Flipping this x 1000. We seem to forget what SAF's mission was and he flipping achieved it, made an extremely unrealistic dream come true. Dropping expectations is bad, we have all the resources to be successful and a manager plays the most important role in turning us back into a winning machine.No club has divine right to win but the biggest club in UK and one of the biggest clubs in the world with top 3 in revenue should be aiming for titles every year or at least challenge for titles.
SAF was literally the one who run the club. He had a big saying in all matters, probably apart from the transfer budget. Now it's Ed.Flipping this x 1000. We seem to forget what SAF's mission was and he flipping achieved it, made an extremely unrealistic dream come true. Dropping expectations is bad, we have all the resources to be successful and a manager plays the most important role in turning us back into a winning machine.
