Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

[devilish]

I don’t know what he’s trying to say but fletchers job description has been posted multiple times so I don’t get why you keep on the narrative that’s he’s to blame like murtough etc. fletchers main role is to make sure that there’s a pathway for kids to the first team squad, a job he’s done well. As ragnick has very little coaching staff he was also asked to coach for the first team. What’s so difficult to understand?
Just because he played for the club before it doesn’t necessarily equal bad. Other teams have made a thing out of getting old players involved for good reason.

While some clubs were able to make this former players thing work all of them had 2 things in common

a- they already had a successful football structure in place.
b- they have a solid track record of developing football people into managers, coaches etc
c- these clubs tend to be very cynical as well. For example Juventus fired Ferrara in matter of months.

We lack on all fronts. We are very sentimental, we had never produced 1 manager capable of winning a league title in decades and our football structure borders to a parody. Its the same football structure btw who gave a former player with barely any coaching experience a quick path to technical director btw. Which, in my opinion, seriously dent Fletcher's credentials even further. I mean name me one person whose so good that he starts as U16 coach in October and ends up technical director by March. That stinks high time of nepotism.

 

[golden_blunder]

While some clubs were able to make this former players thing work all of them had 2 things in common

a- they already had a successful football structure in place.
b- they have a solid track record of developing football people into managers, coaches etc
c- these clubs tend to be very cynical as well. For example Juventus fired Ferrara in matter of months.

We lack on all fronts. We are very sentimental, we had never produced 1 manager capable of winning a league title in decades and our football structure borders to a parody. Its the same football structure btw who gave a former player with barely any coaching experience a quick path to technical director btw. Which, in my opinion, seriously dent Fletcher's credentials even further. I mean name me one person whose so good that he starts as U16 coach in October and ends up technical director by March. That stinks high time of nepotism.

Are you being deliberately argumentative or do you really not get it?
Tell me, what happened the coaches when ole left?

edit: so Milan were being super successful when they took maldini on the staff were they?

 

[devilish]

Are you being deliberately argumentative or do you really not get it?
Tell me, what happened the coaches when ole left?

I am explaining my POV on the matter. Regarding the second question, I am aware that Mckenna (League 1 Ipswich), Dempsey (Norwegian 2nd tier Kongsiver) and Carrick (no job) has left to clubs of their own level while Phelan, Ramsay and Fletcher are still around.

 

[devilish]

edit: so Milan were being super successful when they took maldini on the staff were they?

regarding Milan well its different. Milan today are a shadow of its former self. It lost Berlusconi's money which, back in the late 80s early 90s made them a Manchester City on steroids, most of the appeal they had back is also lost and are now more of a poorer version of Leicester City now. This year they spent just around 70m while the year before it was around the 30m mark. AC Milan also have a long tradition of producing great coaches as well. Name me one United former player who had the same managerial career as Ancelotti or Capello for example. Anyway Paolo himself is part of that legacy. His father Cesare Maldini was part of Milan setup and won the cups winners cup in the 70s as manager, Paolo is nowadays involved in managing Milan while his son Daniele is a Milan player.

 

[golden_blunder]

I am explaining my POV on the matter. Regarding the second question, I am aware that Mckenna (League 1 Ipswich), Dempsey (Norwegian 2nd tier Kongsiver) and Carrick (no job) has left to clubs of their own level while Phelan, Ramsay and Fletcher are still around.

Phelan is not a coach and hasn’t been for a while, he does the admin stuff
Ramsay is a specialist coach working in one area

fletcher until ole was fired was only coaching here and there. His main role (again) is the pathway for young talent. He was asked to help with coaching when the coaching team left and Ralf couldn’t get enough of a team other than a couple of 2nd rate coaches with a questionable record from the US. But yeah, you choose to zone in on Fletcher who’s temporarily helping out, outside of his day to day job

 

[golden_blunder]

regarding Milan well its different. Milan today are a shadow of its former self. It lost Berlusconi's money which, back in the late 80s early 90s made them a Manchester City on steroids, most of the appeal they had back is also lost and are now more of a poorer version of Leicester City now. This year they spent just around 70m while the year before it was around the 30m mark. AC Milan also have a long tradition of producing great coaches as well. Name me one United former player who had the same managerial career as Ancelotti or Capello for example

Blah blah blah you put Milan up as an example to support yourself and rather than saying it was a shit example you try to make it work

but that Aside you’ve just proven my point, capello, ancelotti etc, liverpools boot room, sometimes it pays to have former players around to pass on their knowledge and develop young players. Why is it such a huge issue for you when United try it but you make excuses for other teams doing it?

 

[JPRouve]

Blah blah blah you put Milan up as an example to support yourself and rather than saying it was a shit example you try to make it work

Strangely enough Milan is a good example that supports your point, they have been on the path to recovery.

 

[devilish]

Blah blah blah you put Milan up as an example to support yourself and rather than saying it was a shit example you try to make it work

Well I am trying to explain my POV. As said AC Milan has a long tradition of producing great football people (coaches/managers etc) something we lack. I don't think any of our former players had ever won the EPL as managers haven't they? Although tbf we have produced some magnificent football pundits TBH.

The Maldinis are part of the furniture there. Cesare Maldini won the cups winners cup and the Coppa Italia as AC Milan manager in the 70s. He also managed Italy national team. Paolo is nowadays very involved in the club while Daniele is currently an AC Milan's player. There had been a successful structure in place, it had been there for decades and AC Milan is using it. We never had that. In fact 99% of our success came from managers from the outside (a former Liverpool captain and a guy from Glasgow)

 

[DJ_21]

I’m starting to warm to the idea of us getting tuchel if it was to happen. My first choice would still be ten Haag but tuchel is probably closer to klopp and guardiola in terms of world class. Where as with ten Haag it would show our long term thinking and would be the start of a new era for us. Ten Haag will probably be the next big manager to rise. I think he’s definitely worth the risk but if he decided he wants to stay at Ajax then I wouldn’t mind us trying to tempt tuchel but getting him might depend on wether we finish top 4 or not. Ten Haag would happily take over even if we’re in the Europa.

 

[devilish]

Phelan is not a coach and hasn’t been for a while, he does the admin stuff
Ramsay is a specialist coach working in one area

fletcher until ole was fired was only coaching here and there. His main role (again) is the pathway for young talent. He was asked to help with coaching when the coaching team left and Ralf couldn’t get enough of a team other than a couple of 2nd rate coaches with a questionable record from the US. But yeah, you choose to zone in on Fletcher who’s temporarily helping out, outside of his day to day job

I am zoning in on no one really. In fact I mentioned Jon Murtough as well. I can add others if you want. Arnold has no idea working as a football CEO, Phelan's career was literally in the dustbin before we picked him up and gave him god knows what job he's doing and don't get me started on Judge. God only knows how this guy is still in a job.

My point is very much the same. We've got a structure that is a mess. Strangely enough instead of hiring top people from the outside to strengthen it we keep promoting people from within while hoping that things would change.

 

[golden_blunder]

I am zoning in on no one really. In fact I mentioned Jon Murtough as well. I can add others if you want. Arnold has no idea working as a football CEO, Phelan's career was literally in the dustbin before we picked him up and gave him god knows what job he's doing and don't get me started on Judge. God only knows how this guy is still in a job.

My point is very much the same. We've got a structure that is a mess. Strangely enough instead of hiring top people from the outside to strengthen it we keep promoting people from within while hoping that things would change.

I feel dejavu from reading your posts. I think I will leave it there

 

[devilish]

I feel dejavu from reading your posts. I think I will leave it there

As said I can't take any person who went from U16 coach to technical director in 5 months seriously especially if that came within a structure that borders to a parody. I hope I am wrong though. I don't hate Fletcher and while I never understood the hype around him as a player he is still one of us.

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

He would be an outstanding choice,but i”m still not sure if he will be available this summer…

 

[The Corinthian]

We should absolutely be working towards getting Tuchel in.

 

[dinostar77]

He would be an outstanding choice,but i”m still not sure if he will be available this summer…

Agreed, only hope that, if a new owner comes in, he wants his own appointment at the helm and is stupid enough to allow tuchel to leave. Lets face it, how many managers have stayed on at a club for more than a seaosn (other than fergie) after a takeover?

 

[Infra-red]

We should absolutely be working towards getting Tuchel in.

He'd be great but has no reason to leave Chelsea (they are about to be sold to Saudi investors with money that makes Abramovich's wealth look like chicken feed). They'll probably buy Haaland this summer, just for fun.

 

[The Corinthian]

He'd be great but has no reason to leave Chelsea (they are about to be sold to Saudi investors with money that makes Abramovich's wealth look like chicken feed). They'll probably buy Haaland this summer, just for fun.

I know but he might want to get away from all the noise and spotlights with Roman, and new Saudi ownership, and work for hypercapitalist blood sucking leeches like the Glazers instead.

 

[dinostar77]

He'd be great but has no reason to leave Chelsea (they are about to be sold to Saudi investors with money that makes Abramovich's wealth look like chicken feed). They'll probably buy Haaland this summer, just for fun.

There seems to be a misunderstanding about that saudi investors. They arent linked to Saudi Arabia Sovereign Wealth Fund i.e. who bought Newcastle nor are they linked to the state i.e. Saudi Arabia. So this limitless budget they supposedly have doesnt exist.

 

[Jim Beam]

Even if he leaves, pretty sure he wouldn't go straight at United as he won't lack offers. For example, both Madrid and Juventus might be interested.

 

[dinostar77]

Even if he leaves, pretty sure he wouldn't go straight at United as he won't lack offers. For example, both Madrid and Juventus might be interested.

However if RR does move upstairs and him and Tuchel share the same footballing philosophies then it would stand to reason that the Utd job would look more attractive to him then. Especially as Richard Arnold wants to breakaway from Ed Woodward model and nit get involved in the football side of things but leave that to Murtough and company.

 

[Infra-red]

There seems to be a misunderstanding about that saudi investors. They arent linked to Saudi Arabia Sovereign Wealth Fund i.e. who bought Newcastle nor are they linked to the state i.e. Saudi Arabia. So this limitless budget they supposedly have doesnt exist.

Mohammed bin Khalid Al Saud is reportedly part of the consortium, isn't he? He's a member of the House of Saud (they're estimated to be worth more than £1trillion). I think they'll have a few quid to spend.

 

[dinostar77]

Mohammed bin Khalid Al Saud is reportedly part of the consortium, isn't he? He's a member of the House of Saud (they're estimated to be worth more than £1trillion). I think they'll have a few quid to spend.

The saudi media group (the consortium) are independent of the house of saud officially. Maybe in the depths of the murky ownership waters they arent. However they have to be otherwise there is 0% chance of them taking over. You cannot have two clubs in PL owned by the same state, for many obvious reasons.

 

[Infra-red]

The saudi media group (the consortium) are independent of the house of saud officially. Maybe in the depths of the murky ownership waters they arent. However they have to be otherwise there is 0% chance of them taking over. You cannot have two clubs in PL owned by the same state, for many obvious reasons.

This is the same Premier League that signed-off on the Newcastle takeover on the basis that the Saudi Public Investment Fund is entirely separate from the Saudi state, despite the fact that Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman is its Chair. I mean, that was a claim so obviously ludicrous, that it's a wonder anyone managed to say it with a straight face, but the Premier League had no problem with it whatsoever.

I think it is fairly safe to say that as long as the money is right, the Premier League could not care less who the prospective Chelsea owner is.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

I want Ten Hag but I’d have Tuchel too

both ahead of Poch

That's exactly my opinion aswell.

 

[Raoul]

Given that Ralf is staying on as consultant, hiring Tuchel would seem a no brainer.

 

[sunama]

It is baffling that anybody would believe that Tuchel would leave CFC to join MUFC.
CFC are a higher-performing club with an established structure, designed to win trophies.
A manager joining MUFC would need to accept that winning trophies for MUFC, will be nigh on impossible. Our aim is to make money, and getting top 4 is seen as the ultimate achievement. Even fans have bought into the top 4 trophy, which is truly sickening.

I believe that next year, our manager will be Ralf R, Mauricio Pochettino or Erik Ten Hag.

 

[SouthPredators4]

It is baffling that anybody would believe that Tuchel would leave CFC to join MUFC.
CFC are a higher-performing club with an established structure, designed to win trophies.
A manager joining MUFC would need to accept that winning trophies for MUFC, will be nigh on impossible. Our aim is to make money, and getting top 4 is seen as the ultimate achievement. Even fans have bought into the top 4 trophy, which is truly sickening.

I believe that next year, our manager will be Ralf R, Mauricio Pochettino or Erik Ten Hag.

IMHO, the majority wouldn't care if a Chelsea manager wins the league or CL. If it is done for United during a post SAF era, it will be talked for decades, ala Klopp for Liverpool. The historical significance of reviving a sleeping giant is of epic proportion, and incredibly challenging for the right profile of manager.

 

[Yorkeontop]

I'd have him as the top choice if he's available.

 

[Judas]

He’s not. I’m baffled people still clinging onto this idea.

 

[RopersReturn]

Just can’t see him wanting to leave Chelsea-arguably a more successful rival in recent years. Plus there aren’t many potential managers who’d put up with the Glazers meddling.

Chelsea have a great squad who could potentially hold on to the CL trophy this year.
I think Tutchel will wait to find out who the new owners are before making any decisions. It looks likely that a consortium will be taking over and exchanging by the end of the week.

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

Agreed, only hope that, if a new owner comes in, he wants his own appointment at the helm and is stupid enough to allow tuchel to leave. Lets face it, how many managers have stayed on at a club for more than a seaosn (other than fergie) after a takeover?

Yeah,I think Tuchels preference would be to stay at Chelsea.He has won trophies at Chelsea,he will feel that his team is close to challenging for the League…Why would he want to undertake such a massive rebuilding exercise at United when he’s already in charge of a better team like Chelsea?I think he”ll stay at Chelsea for atleast another season…

 

[mitchmouse]

I have a feeling he might be our manager after the next one!

 

[Spoony]

I'd have gone Tuchel had RR been given a bigger role post interim. ETH is the sexier appointment. I'm with the Dutch bald bloke.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Zero chance of happening

 

[GMoore23]

I'd take him in a heartbeat over Pochettino. Ten Haag is also a risky option as he he could be anything. I'd prefer Tuchel over him also.

He's the 4th best manager in the world imo with only Pep, Klopp and Conte better.
With Tuchel in charge and Pep/Klopps reigns at City/Pool possibly coming to an end soon, Tuchel will guarantee us titles.

 

[Wilt]

Thoughts now?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Absolutely yes. He should be our priority.

 

[Pass and Move]

No. I’ve never liked him. I want a manager with the capability/potential to make us utterly dominant again. He’s not that man.

 

[Manncunian]

No. I’ve never liked him. I want a manager with the capability/potential to make us utterly dominant again. He’s not that man.

Who is?!

 

[kaku06]

No. I’ve never liked him. I want a manager with the capability/potential to make us utterly dominant again. He’s not that man.

Name that manager then? Who’s it?