Hy guys!finally we have a great goalkeeper. For me he's a regular player, what can you say about it? 
buon giorno mate, guess we'll have to wait and see...
Plechazunga said:
Ciao
I think and hope so!!! Still not sure myself. We are all so desperate to see an end to our goalkeeping problems, maybe we need to reserve judgement. I think SAF thinks the same and he is keeping hold of barthez for the time being. I'm sure it wouldnt bother him to sell the useless bald twat for next to nothing if Howard turns out good as we hope.manutditaly said:Hy guys!finally we have a great goalkeeper. For me he's a regular player, what can you say about it?
still needs more testing. like ronaldo.
one game isdoesn´t make a player.
one game isdoesn´t make a player.
weRutd&werule said:
The "useless bald twat", (owner of a world Cup, European championship and Champion's League medal), helped us to win the league last year by keeping the best defence and making some vital saves against Liverpool or Arsenal for example.
The useless twat, it's you.
wot ur saying is fair but to speak truthfully barthez did make some huge blunders in his time in goal.for example, vs stoke he got chipped frm the half way line and remember the game against deportivo.
Mike69 said:
the game against stoke is just a friendly.
He's done feck all for us. In both legs against Real Madrid last season he looked as if he was going to shit himself. All the goals were his fault except one of Ronaldo's when it was both his and Rio's fault. I concede most of the time he is a good shot stopper but he doesnt command the area and his diminutive appearance invites shots and encourages the opposition. Also how can we forget the amazing blunders he has made when in possession?Elfie said:
I might be a useless twat but at least I havent fecked up the two most important games in our clubs history and been paid for it.
Mike69 said:
He has made much more good games than errors.
The final of the Confederation Cup and his game against Switzerland have proved he was not finished.
People may prefer Howard, I respect every opinion, but please just respect him.
weRutd&werule said:He's done feck all for us. In both legs against Real Madrid last season he looked as if he was going to shit himself. All the goals were his fault except one of Ronaldo's when it was both his and Rio's fault. I concede most of the time he is a good shot stopper but he doesnt command the area and his diminutive appearance invites shots and encourages the opposition. Also how can we forget the amazing blunders he has made when in possession?
I might be a useless twat but at least I havent fecked up the two most important games in our clubs history and been paid for it.
If his "diminutive" appearance invited shots, he would concede more goals than the others.
To say that all the goals were his fault is ridiculous, that's a dishonest statement. And other players weren't good that day. Secondly, he faced Raul, Ronaldo and Zidane at their very best. Real played theirs best games against us. And himself came back from injury, he was uncertain on Monday. Unfortunately he wasn't at his best that day.
weRutd&werule said:I might be a useless twat but at least I havent fecked up the two most important games in our clubs history and been paid for it.
The two most important games in Mancheser United history are the Champions League quarter final matches?
Maybe the most important games last season.Barthez's poor performances in those games have been blown out of proportion. He certainly didn't play well, but to suggest (as some people did on this site) that he is the reason for our Champions League exit doesn't sound right to me. The defence was horrible over the two legs - and the whole team was crap in the first leg. Ferdinand and Brown just couldn't cut it with players like Zidane, Raul, and Ronaldo coming at them.
I think Howard deserves to be number one now, but to say that Barthez (and I quote) 'fecked up the two most important game in our clubs history' is taking it way too far. It looks like curtains for Fab, so I'm going to with him good luck for the future.
Maybe you're right but he doesn't half pick the games when he is not going to be at his best.Elfie said:
weRutd&werule said:He's done feck all for us. In both legs against Real Madrid last season he looked as if he was going to shit himself. All the goals were his fault except one of Ronaldo's when it was both his and Rio's fault. I concede most of the time he is a good shot stopper but he doesnt command the area and his diminutive appearance invites shots and encourages the opposition. Also how can we forget the amazing blunders he has made when in possession?
I might be a useless twat but at least I havent fecked up the two most important games in our clubs history and been paid for it.
Fab has kept goal for three seasons for us and we won the title for two of those seasons. Last season alone he made a number of brilliant, high-pressure saves to help us win matches; among others, Liverpool, Birmingham, and Arsenal all saw match-saving performances from Fab.
As for him losing us the Real tie; in Madrid, the first goal was a fluke, the second and third down to shite defending. At home, the first goal was terrible goalkeeping, the second shite defending once again leaving Fab no chance, and the third just a class strike from Ronaldo.
Why isn't Scholes a useless twat for giving the ball away? Gary could have closed down Figo better, and the whole defense was shakey and uncoordinated in both matches. Keane is also a useless twat for not doing his job and helping out the defense. I reckon Ruud is also a useless twat for not scoring a few more goals.
And let's not forget, we're talking about a man who has never said a bad word about the club, and who, even when carrying injuries, playing off-form, or being hounded by the media for the mistakes he has made, has never once put in a performance that looked like he couldn't be arsed to try.
Thanks Mr Wood and BusbyReds, your posts are fair.
BusbyReds said:
Well said
Why would he say something about the club? We are one of the top clubs in the world and we pay him more than anyone else would. We are well known for our good wages, excellent manager, superb youth system and thoroughly decent and football-educated supporters.BusbyReds said:
I've never seen anyone look like they can't be arsed on an actual matchday certainly when they are one of the best paid professional sportsmen in Europe.
He often puts in performances where he seems reckless and unconcerned about the consequences of his flippant use of the ball. Also playing when injured is not professional-its irresponsible.
feck off Barthez you bald cnut.
weRutd&werule said:Why would he say something about the club? We are one of the top clubs in the world and we pay him more than anyone else would. We are well known for our good wages, excellent manager, superb youth system and thoroughly decent and football-educated supporters.
I've never seen anyone look like they can't be arsed on an actual matchday certainly when they are one of the best paid professional sportsmen in Europe.
He often puts in performances where he seems reckless and unconcerned about the consequences of his flippant use of the ball. Also playing when injured is not professional-its irresponsible.
feck off Barthez you bald cnut.
There's only one cnut I can think of at the moment.
weRutd&werule said:
You obviously didn't see Yorke's performances in his last season at United.
weRutd&werule said:Why would he say something about the club? We are one of the top clubs in the world and we pay him more than anyone else would. We are well known for our good wages, excellent manager, superb youth system and thoroughly decent and football-educated supporters.
I've never seen anyone look like they can't be arsed on an actual matchday certainly when they are one of the best paid professional sportsmen in Europe.
He often puts in performances where he seems reckless and unconcerned about the consequences of his flippant use of the ball. Also playing when injured is not professional-its irresponsible.
feck off Barthez you bald cnut.
You're not in his head and you don't know what he thinks. Do you think he doesn't care after a defeat ? What you call his flippant use of the ball is just his style, Ferguson knew how he played when he chose him, he has always played like that and most of the time he catches the ball. (Obviously a keeper who stays on his line won't make blatant errors, but in the end he will concede as many goals...But people will think that "it's not his fault"). But you're probably too stupid (given the tone of your posts) to understand that.
Elfie, who would you rather see in goal for United, from a footballing point of view?
Just curios to see if Barthez' biggest fan rates Howard higher than him or what.....
Just curios to see if Barthez' biggest fan rates Howard higher than him or what.....
Elfie said:You're not in his head and you don't know what he thinks. Do you think he doesn't care after a defeat ? What you call his flippant use of the ball is just his style, Ferguson knew how he played when he chose him, he has always played like that and most of the time he catches the ball. (Obviously a keeper who stays on his line won't make blatant errors, but in the end he will concede as many goals...But people will think that "it's not his fault"). But you're probably too stupid (given the tone of your posts) to understand that.
I don't give a feck what he thinks, I know what I think and I think he is a bald irresponsible cnut. I've got no respect for him and neither has SAF. Maybe you like him but I dont. Maybe you are (quote) 'in his head' and maybe that is why you are defending him so much. Tell me does he spit or swallow?
weRutd&werule said:I don't give a feck what he thinks, I know what I think and I think he is a bald irresponsible cnut. I've got no respect for him and neither has SAF. Maybe you like him but I dont. Maybe you are (quote) 'in his head' and maybe that is why you are defending him so much. Tell me does he spit or swallow?
Mr Wood or Busby Reds made clever posts, yours are just stupid. SAF may prefer Howard now, that doesn't mean he has no respect for him. . You don't respect him, personnally I respect every United players. You can write what you want, I will ignore you know.
Floyd said:Elfie, who would you rather see in goal for United, from a footballing point of view?
Just curios to see if Barthez' biggest fan rates Howard higher than him or what.....
I've seen Howard play only once, against Arsenal. I think it is too soon to judge. I was on holidays during the US tour.
Anyway, don't expect me to say that I prefer any other keeper than Fab, even from a footballing point of view, because I adore the way he plays. Sorry.
Elfie said:
Fair play. Everyone's entitled to have their favourite player.
I regard Barthez very highly and appreciate his efforts in the 3 years he has been here. Sure he has had a few bad games but then again name one other United player who hasn't. He has his own style of keeping and that is the way he plays. Two titles in 3 years is pretty good if you ask me. Is Howard better, maybe, maybe not. The jury is still out on that but let's appreciate Barthez and what he has given to the United cause.
Floyd said:Elfie, who would you rather see in goal for United, from a footballing point of view?
Just curios to see if Barthez' biggest fan rates Howard higher than him or what.....
im a fan of barthez as well, but id prefer howard in goal.
just give barthez respect...................
well every players have their up & down time
sometime they play well, but sometime they play bad
c'est la vie
sometime they play well, but sometime they play bad
c'est la vie
Floyd said:Elfie, who would you rather see in goal for United, from a footballing point of view?
Just curios to see if Barthez' biggest fan rates Howard higher than him or what.....
i don't think that's a fair question from a neutral stand point.
You're right, elfie has some kind of odd fixation with a hapless substandard bald goalkeeper, he can't see that he is crap and the sooner he fecks off the better for all of us.RUnited said:
Why must the praise for a player be accompanied with the criticism of another playing the same position? Now I'm as happy as anyone else at Howard's performance so far, but it doesn't justify the slagging off of Barthez, who HASN'T done fu*k all for the club. For those people who have goldfish memory, (meaning extremely short term memory ), he did save us many a times. Yes he did cost us matches, but respect people. Or at least some gratitude.
), he did save us many a times. Yes he did cost us matches, but respect people. Or at least some gratitude.I am waiting for the first thread that mentions Tim Howard that doesn't degenerate into a discussion about Barthez' treatment and whether it was justified.
Huiting said:Why must the praise for a player be accompanied with the criticism of another playing the same position? Now I'm as happy as anyone else at Howard's performance so far, but it doesn't justify the slagging off of Barthez, who HASN'T done fu*k all for the club. For those people who have goldfish memory, (meaning extremely short term memory
Yes. I agree with that. (: Personally I feel that Barthez made some of the most wonderful save I've seen... his saves are a little different from others.. i would say that he's slightly more acrobatic. To say that he was useless wouldn't be just. Players are humans who are prone the making mistakes -- even on the pitch. Barthez did make a few (actually quite a number) blunders at times, letting in goals, but even top strikers such as Ruud or expensive defenders, Rio makes mistakes! =|
On a lighter note, i think the fans are beginning to gain confidence in Tim Howard, despite having seen him play for only 2 games. I've been hearing a lot about him since last season and so far, he has lived up to what I've heard. He hasnt played in major European matches though, but I suppose he will be able to make it, afterall every keeper has their first time . Better still first time with us (:.