Chatting to a work colleague and he was saying the Spurs lot seem to think this is done and dusted for £60 mil or so
Toby Alderweireld
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Doesn’t sound that unlikely to me?
Do they seriously believe that in Spurs camp?
Martial is worth double of what Alderweireld is, taking into account age and contract situation.
You know literally the exact same thing can be said to you?
What you have neglected to say though is while we as a club dont want to sell Martial to another English club and Martial certainly has no desire to go to one Spurs on the other hand have never once briefed anyone that they dont want to sell Alderweireld to us and the player over the weekend has made it known he wants to come
This is one occasion where Levy certainly doesn't hold all the cards
Worth is not so relevant to likelyhood.
Do you think Levy is likely to let Alderweireld go to United for much less than £65m?
Do you think United is likely to get much more than £75m for Martial at this point?
You've just pointed out the impasse as to why it's taken so long. Someone will have to climb down and I expect it to be Spurs.
Hm. I somehow expect more stingyness from Levy than Woody in such a situation.
We all know that Levy won't budge when it comes to the price. Especially when dealing with us. So we either pay up or move on.
Levy isn't getting more than €35m for Alderweireld outside EPL.
United could reasonably get €60-70m from several clubs in Europe for Martial.
Then we sign him in january for 25 M.
Doesn't the 25 mill clause come into effect on the last two weeks of the Summer 2019 transfer window? If so, don't see why we'd be able to sign him in January.
Yes we could get 100 m plus if we sell to Chelsea if Hazard moves to Madrid for even bigger fee, the fee in Dembele category. But Martial is going no where thus united ain't bothered about him doing like Sanchez with arsenal.
If that's the case then may be 40m in January.
There's absolutely no way Chelsea will cough up more than £100m for Martial.
Supposedly very reliable with info on Belgian players
Levy certainly drives a hard bargain but at the end of the day he is a businessman and he is not an idiot who would simply take loss of 20/30 million on a player because he wants to seen as hard negotiator who got one up Manchester United if Alderweireld is priority target for United expect deal to go through between 50-55 million .
HLN/Kristof Terreur are Tier 1 for all Belgian players. Really good news for us. They are basically suggesting that Toby is trying to force the move. Toby + Woodward should get this done by deadline day.
See, your biggest problem is that no-one even knows if Martial wants to play for Spurs. You all assume he does but that's just a baseless assumption, he's not going to force his way out of United for Spurs when he could have teams like Bayern on the table, for all we know he can't stand the thought of playing for you and that's why negotiations for Toby have properly begun.
we won't sell them Martial. They wouldn't sell us Toby either if it weren't for his contract situation.
That tweet not really telling us anything we don't already know.
We know he doesn't want to stay.
We know negotiations would be between Woodward and Levy.
Pointless tweet.
We know he doesn't want to stay.
We know negotiations would be between Woodward and Levy.
Pointless tweet.
We shall see.
Because of the issues with his son, wouldn't have ever seen him leaving Italy .
I have no doubt about his stingyness, but if it's the difference between him getting 50m/60m now or 25m in Jan - not sure how he can not take it. The release clause is the only difference between the two different situation really, so there it's much more likely he'll be the one climbing down as he stands to lose more.
Next season he goes for £25m anything they can get above £40m now is a bonus.
I think I'm the only one, but I prefer Maguire.
£60m this week, £40m in January or £25m next Summer.
Exactly. £55/60m wouldn’t surprise me. £45m would, though.
Likewise, I’ll be surprised if we find a buyer for Martial this window who will go much above £70/75m with his recent history and current situation. That may be very tempting to take. Regardless of what I may think he is ‘worth’. If he is immature, sulky and the manager doesn’t like him, his value is only going to deteriorate a year on, and his presence will be disturbing. Bit of guesswork, of course. Maybe he changes his mind and knuckles down.
United isn’t outside the EPL, though.
With him I dont see many players getting past the red wall very easily.
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100m plus for Martial? No one in their right mind would pay that.
I mean the issue is though we supposedly offered £50m earlier in the window, I'm not sure why we would have any reason to up our bid.
I don't think we will sell Martial this window and even if we do, we can do it comfortably after the 9th Aug - without EPL clubs trying to ruffle feathers. If he wants to waste 2 years of development, to leave on a free, that's up to him - wouldn't be a wise move mind you.
You're not. We'll just have to be happy with Toby if he comes though.
As a dutchie who watched Alderweireld at Ajax i'd never thought he could once end up at United. To be honest, i wasnt a big fan of him but he developed into a solid defender. At 30 he could still provide a good 3-4 years of stability next to a younger defender.
Could happen, yes, but as you say, unwise of him and probably for us too. We will get much more for him if the PL teams aren’t positively excluded from the bidding round, though. I speculate that if Mou convinves Woody that he is mentally uncapable to reach top levels, we’ll sell him to a PL team still, while if Woody don’t buy that, he might decide to sit on him a while and see if the next manager can get more out of him. Guessing wildly now.
Yeah, I see what you're saying, I just can not see us selling a 22 year old we bought for 50m back into a direct rival, unless it was like Everton. Certainly not to a direct rival.
Yep, I was actually gonna mention that Alex was decent. Definitely more "good" than a flop.
I think our transfer activity has been underwhelming, but Aldeweireld would be a massive addition, in my opinion. It just seems to make too much sense for all involved.
Me too out of the two of them. Both overhyped and overpriced but I'm not sure we'd be weaker defensively with Maguire. With Toby we would be even more vulnerable to crosses
We’d be stupid to swap martial for a defender
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