We should be finishing top 4 now. That last game vs Leicester could be meaningless if we win most of our games before as Chelsea/wolves/Leicester all have harder fixtures & our superior GD could prove vital.
Top 4 Race 19/20 | duffer: "We [Chelsea] are getting 3rd. Despite what the lunatics in here think, Man United are not all that."
- Thread starter Andy_Cole
- Start date
He doesn’t understand that 5 goals to United on the last day takes 5 goals off Leicester’s GD.
Maths is hard.
Technically though even if we win all our games it’s not yet in our hands. I think 5-0 against Leicester isn’t enough to say we’ve got control over this.
That said I actually think we’ve got room to draw two games and still make top 4.
As things are panning out were on target by my reckoning and I was very generous to Leicester when making my prediction.
We'll do it.
Yeah I know. But it is in our hands to go out and out score them to make sure we can overturn them with a couple of goals in our game. Not sure why people think 9 goals is a lot considering we gained 4 on them this game.
True, but you can’t turn around and say something is in your hands when you require someone to do worse than you. It’s in their hands because it’s theirs to throw away.
Ultimately Leicester don’t need to do better than us to qualify and same to chelsea, United have to go out and do better than both, therefore it’s in those clubs hands, technically.
What? Why not? If they were 2 points in front it would be in our hands on the basis that if we match their results and beat them in our game, we go above them...ultimately relying on them doing worse than us.
If we finish fourth do we have to play play offs next season
Because they lost this game and we won. If it’s to come down to goal difference they would have been matching our results, so they would also be adding to their tally at the same time as us. We’d need to double their output while getting the same amount of points.
Not impossible of course, but it is quite a task.
Those play offs have been scrapped for a few years now. Fourth qualify automatically for CL.
Exactly. Considering it isn't impossible makes it in our hands
In September! That should earn you a tagline I would think.
I agree if it was 2 points behind then it would be in our hands because we would need to win all the games and badabing we are in the top 4, regardless of anything possible in the world.
But as it stands it’s 3 points and we literally just have to hope in this scenario that we out score them, therefore it’s not in our hands. Therefore it’s not completely in our control.
You’ll likely get slated for that opinion, but I think it’s reasonable. Willian is always useful, he’s got a good cross on him... dead balls are a good option too if Fernandes isn’t playing. On a free, we could get him to offer a still very young Greenwood, competition, relief, and an alternative style. He also wouldn’t be a massive hindrance to signing Sancho next Summer when his price dips a bit, we have established ourselves as a CL team again, and we have our match day revenue back.
So something not being impossible makes it in our hands? So the final day we lost to city and needed to win by 7-0 or whatever it was you considered to be in our hands?
Something to be in your hands = being in complete control of, it’s not about possible or impossible.
The other scenario isn't in completely our control either, mainly because Leicester would ne doing their upmost to not let is beat them.
If we had one game to go I would agree with you, but it is up to us to put score them now as much as possible. It is in our hands
Okay, you don’t understand my point, it might be my fault, life’s too short for this. Take it easy.
Finally all in our hands!
Hence why it doesn't make sense to say it's in our hands. It's more in their hands than it is in ours.
That doesn't mean we have better odds at coming in 3rd place than Leicester.
Why you getting upset over this? Just difference of opinions? Do you not like hearing things other than your opinion?
How have we all missed this?
We beat Chelsea twice, and beat leicester 1-0 at home. Table decided on head to head with games against each other.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1262217
We beat Chelsea twice, and beat leicester 1-0 at home. Table decided on head to head with games against each other.
Feck off with this hands crap now. Can we just be fecking happy 
Look at my last post. It's head to head to decide teams level on points. We win every game, we get top 4, simple as.
No it doesn’t, mate.
For something to be in your hands, it means that nothing can stop you so long as you win your games. Tagging on goal difference at the end means there are factors outside of our control which can decide our fate. It’s in Leicester’s hands because at the moment they have a significant advantage and if they were to win all their games there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Your scenario only becomes likely (not guaranteed) if we get to the final day and goal difference has been reduced to 1 or 2.
Don't see him being upset. Just a misunderstanding of the term "in our hands"
It's frustrating for me but we really majoring in minors here and should just be happy we have our best shot yet at 3rd place.
Unless this is La Liga, it's GD that separates teams on level points...
That only comes into play if teams are also tied on GD.
Yeah suppose. Let's hope form cobtinues. What will be, will be...
Feck off with this hands crap now. Can we just be fecking happy
Exactly besides we are gonna finish second so who cares what Chelsea and Leciester do
Doesn't your post mean head to head is just a further tie breaker after goal difference, scored etc?
Oh feck misread it. Got excited there... never mind
Not upset at all dude, and agreed, I reckon we will do it and I imagine by next match day we will all agree it’s in our hands anyway.
Nah I got confused, head to head is after those and not replacing goal difference. Dumb.
I got really excited for a moment there.
I found this one from me but I can't find the one from the start of the season
Ffs what did this thread turn into
Welcome to muppet treasure island!
You ballbag (in the nicest way possible), your post got me more excited than thinking about the upcoming transfer window muppet season.
Nope, if we outscore them by an average of 2 goals every match week, we will qualify.
Since we can't control how many they score, it's all ifs and buts.