Topic :United team building towards proactive and dominating 433 football. Then Dani Olmo is a must buy. Post on page 2

[LuckyScout78]

Why shall United and Ten Hag drop Bruno down as nr.8 from the nr.10 position? To make room for one of Kvicha from Napoli and Georgia or Florian Wirtz from Bayer Leverkusen and Germany? There are many reasons and factors behind it. But i will only focus on key factors and reasons.

Here are the key factors to drop Bruno down as nr.8 :

• United are lacking top conistent service to their CF and others attacking players. Key reasons why United had struggled to scoring goals or low numbers of goals. Becuase the service to the CF is really low and not conistent
• Without a top nr.8/Eriksen or a Eriksen that is not on at his peak anymore. Is weakened United as a team. This factor relate to the service the CF and others attacking players. And without a top class creative nr.8. It will keep the team ability to keep the ball. Ball possession
• And without a top Eriksen. Out of injury or not as his peak. Bruno playing as a nr.10. Used to drop deep to often, to helping the team with the build up of the attack. And when Bruno drop down, it will lead to that it weakened the supporting of CF. Because a free CAM role/nr.10. They main job is to link the midfield with the attack and supporting the CF = reason the role is naming "supporting striker" not a creative CM/nr.8
• United are lacking players with top dribbling skill/flair. Players that easily beat and pass 1 and 2 opponent players. United simply don't have enough of those kind of players in the team. Special wingers and Bruno
• The level of a creative nr.8 out there in the football market is not as high as the level of a free nr.10 playmaker. In Florian Wirtz or Kvicha. If there is a nr.8 out there that has the same top level as those 2. And realistic and high chance that United can get and buy. Then you might keep Bruno as nr.10 and buy that top nr.8. But after following the football market in many years. Players not from others top clubs. Kvicha and Florian Wirts are at a really high level at this moment. Current level and form. Maybe Kvicha has drop a bit.

Now, what will Kvicha and Florian Wirtz will bring to United. What kind of qualities will they strength United attack, as a free nr.10 playmaker?

• They will deliver consistent support and service to the CF and others attacking players. Create assists, big chances and both of them are high potential goalscorer. Helping the team to create and scoring more goals
• They will bring the "fear factor" to opponent players and defend. Because of theirs skill/flair, pace, determination and sharpness
• Both of Kvicha and Florian Wirtz are really close to the top level as a free nr.10 playmaker
• To become a top winning team. A conistent really good attacking team. United and Ten Hag need top player of those football abilities, vision and understanding. Both of Kvicha and Wirtz has it. Compare to Bruno, who doesnt have a top ability to dribble and pass opponent players easily
• Special Wirtz. Bayer Leverkusen are like night and day without him. With Wirtz Leverkusen they has become a top team. And without him Bayer Leverkusen last season was so poor. It stop the top service theirs CF and attacking players.

And here are visual description of what they will bring to United, special in the attack as a free nr.10 playmaker

Kvicha:




Florian Wirtz :




We all can see theirs ability to beat and pass opponent players, but still with really ball control. I will rate theirs ball control really close to the top level of football. And why United and Ten Hag needs those abilities. Because Ten Hag and United are lacking of those abilities. On a conistent top level. It lead to inconistent service to United CF and others attacking players = lacking of goals and big chances. The nature of the process of creating and scoring goals


So when United get one of those 2. How to play and line them up in the team?:

I will start with 4411 formation. The formation Ten Hag had used most and still using it:


+ First against team United shall dominate :

Antony - Bruno 8 - Kobbie - Rashford + Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund

+ Against team United will sit back most of the time :

Antony - Bruno 8 - Amrabat/Casemiro - Rashford/Garnacho + Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund


That is the 4411 with those 2 in the team.


And the alternative formation. If Ten Hag is aiming to play proactive and dominating football. Not to sit back and counter attack most of the time. Then 433 with those 2 as LCM. A role a la Gundogan and Iniesta. Like this:


433 with proactive football. Dominating ball possession:

Antony - Bruno RCM - Mainoo CDM/6 - Wirtz/Kvicha - Rashford + Højlund = A top and really high combination of 6 players = high level of creating chances and scoring goals. I will mark and make it clear. Mason Mount is not a Kvicha/Wirtz/Gundogan/Iniesta nr.8 kind of player.
Mason Mount suit more against top teams. Which will make his ball winning ability really useful. Like this:

Against top teams. A more defensive set up 433

Antony - Bruno - Amrabat/Casemiro - Mount - Rashford/Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund


Depend on the opponent parking the bus and playing tight. Then dribbling ability of Wirtz/Kvicha will be more useful as the left CM/8.


+ A really important note and key factor and decision. As a free nr.10 playmaker supporting the CF. You get them free role to roam all over the attacking area in a 4411 formation. Players like Kvicha, Wirtz, Kaka, Zidane, Cantona. Those players are best when they are free. To express all theirs football abilities. With no limit. You shall do that and this. They football vision and understanding are really high. Top level of creativeness. You just don't limit it. Reason why i am calling "A free nr.10 playmaker role"


+ And what are theirs market value right now?

Kvicha = 80 mill euros

https://www.transfermarkt.com/khvicha-kvaratskhelia/profil/spieler/502670


Florian Wirtz = 100 mill euros

https://www.transfermarkt.com/florian-wirtz/profil/spieler/598577


Top level of skill ful, vision and qualites does cost money. In others words. Top quality attacking players does cost a lot of money. They are not second or third rate/level player


Sum up of this article and recommendation : Team building towards premier league champion :

United and Ten Hag need top quality skill ful players. Top level attacking players that easily pass opponent players. Players that will bring fear to opponent defenders. But most of all. Players that deliver top and conistent support and service to the team CF and others attacking players = Rise the level of creating big chances and scoring goals = rise the chance to winning games = rise the chance to becoming premier league champion.

In the end. Do not buy another top CF or try to buy some others creative nr.8. Like above drop Bruno as the future Eriksen replacement and make Wirtz/Kvicha as the first prior target next summer.




A side topic and problem? Like what others position do United really need to strength? Still team building to becoming premier league champion. But i will just make it really short:

I clearly see, feel and believe. United and Ten Hag need a top class beast of a CB.

A top new nr.10 playmaker + A top beast of CB

Others postions i need to watch more before i make the last rating and decision.

 

[CallyRed]

A Lucky Scout thread. Christmas has come early.

 

[SalfordRed18]

This gone be good.

 

[Tarrou]

I think he's crap as an 8, his weaknesses get exacerbated and we lose some of the output as he's further from the goal

If we're not playing him as a 10 I'd prefer to just sell him

 

[HTG]

Yeah, just sign Wirtz.

 

[hobbers]

Bruno can’t play as an 8, he’s a disaster with the ball under pressure

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

OP is living in a dreamland. If we're going to spend big on strengthening our forward line, the priority will be signing a RW who can actually contribute with goals and assists.

 

[The Cat]

So where is this 80/100m coming from?

Would appreciate that information.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

A Lucky Scout thread. Christmas has come early.

 

[ROFLUTION]

Spoken from the mouth of the scout. I'll pay close attention to these two unknown and upcoming talents.

 

[Fortitude]

Problem: Yes
Solution: Just buy one of the two most coveted players in football.
Conclusion: LS78

 

[gerdm07]

Diallo might turn into a world class AM.

 

[Zoo]

The OP needs to be Jim’s first appointment.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Knew from the title,we were infor something special.

 

[Scandi Red]

How does one poster keep dropping banger after banger? Life is unfair.

 

[THE ZOL]

I think he's crap as an 8, his weaknesses get exacerbated and we lose some of the output as he's further from the goal

If we're not playing him as a 10 I'd prefer to just sell him

Agreed. I think he’s a detriment to us even as a 10 due to his positional indiscipline, wastefulness with the ball and inability to dribble or play in tight spaces. His stats are good but I feel like it comes at the expense of other players.

Selling him would be a great idea. It would help with FFP and we could get a decent fee for him. The issue is that it is not guaranteed that we can have a manager who can build a competent system for chance creation so we would miss out on Bruno’s individual quality without replacing it.

We’re essentially stuck with Bruno because he is the system, even though its success will always be capped due to both his limitations and those of the team around him. What a time to be a United fan.

 

[devilish]

I think that Jim's first signing should be a CEO + a sporting director that understands football. That should be followed by an experienced head of recruitment, top negotiators and fitness coaches.

 

[SuperiorXI]

I'm not reading all that

 

[Fortitude]

I think that Jim's first signing should be a CEO + a sporting director that understands football. That should be followed by an experienced head of recruitment, top negotiators and fitness coaches.

Are you saying the club should hire LS78, devilish?

 

[honirelandboy]

Bruno has been unreal for Portugal over the last year and is playing in a 4-3-3. He has shit players surrounding him at United that's the difference. We don't have wingers or full backs who can whip in a decent cross or beat a man.

I'm just looking forward to seeing a Mount Mainoo Bruno midfield, sell off Anthony and Sancho for 60 million and get a decent right winger in.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I'm not reading all that

I was with him until until "drop Bruno". Lost me after that.

 

[Wumminator]

Never heard of either of them. Do not want.

 

[FortunaUtd]

Is this a Wirtz?

 

[Red Star One]

1. Bruno wouldn't work so well as an 8 and we've seen plenty about his game to be quite certain of this
2. Kvicha is much better as an inside forward on the right than a 10
3. Even if any of them was for sale, what makes you think an elite talent like Wirtz would chose United as his next club? Unfortunately for us we're not too appealing.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I was with him until until "drop Bruno". Lost me after that.

He had me at "chicken sandwich".

 

[Rams]

Wirtz the feck is this thread?

 

[VivaObertan]

I will never not enjoy a luckyscout thread. Can you please identify a new CB for the team? Somebody to pair with Martinez

 

[Blood Mage]

How about we sell Bruno instead as he's not good enough defensively to play no.8 and too careless in possession to be our no.10.

 

[Fortitude]

I will never not enjoy a luckyscout thread. Can you please identify a new CB for the team? Somebody to pair with Martinez

The hidden gem that is Ruben Dias, no doubt.

 

[lex talionis]

A thoroughly composed OP without question for which I am grateful. We should be thinking about a complete overhaul of the club, although pulling it off will be very difficult. I like Bruno and see him as a match-winning footballer, but also a footballer who doesn't lead the orchestra over a 90 minute plus match. Hard to say what new management will do and when it will do it, but given the limbo we're in all of us need to be realistic that this is going to be at least a two year transition -- if we pull it off perfectly, only two seasons after this season mercifully comes to an end -- to us competing for major trophies again.

 

[CallyRed]

Lucky Scout is as good a scout as Dora is an explorer.

 

[SirCactus]

Bruno has been unreal for Portugal over the last year and is playing in a 4-3-3. He has shit players surrounding him at United that's the difference. We don't have wingers or full backs who can whip in a decent cross or beat a man.

I'm just looking forward to seeing a Mount Mainoo Bruno midfield, sell off Anthony and Sancho for 60 million and get a decent right winger in.

I can't disagree more. Our 'captain' made sure he was unavailable for our moral victory at Anfield. He thought we would be trashed and he chose to opt out. Disgraceful. In my opinion he is a problem on the pitch and in the dressing room - he showed his back to the scousers and he should be moved on as this utd team is moving forward under ETH.

 

[Gordon S]

Mirror mirror on the wall, tell me who`s the best poster of them all

 

[sparx99]

1. Bruno wouldn't work so well as an 8 and we've seen plenty about his game to be quite certain of this
2. Kvicha is much better as an inside forward on the right than a 10
3. Even if any of them was for sale, what makes you think an elite talent like Wirtz would chose United as his next club? Unfortunately for us we're not too appealing.

On 3, City and PSG built teams without having a history of recent success. If we actually put together something like a long term plan and sell players on that then it’s possible. We obviously have the money to compete in terms of wages etc so it’s about selling the project.

 

[foolsgold]

How about we sell Bruno instead as he's not good enough defensively to play no.8 and too careless in possession to be our no.10.

Yeah, that's where I'm at too. He was very effective in a counter attacking Ole team but his output has fallen sharply under Ten Haag. I'd move him on, play Mount at 10 and commit to Hannibal / Mainoo or invest in a specialist number 8.

 

[Mart1974]

Why shall United and Ten Hag drop Bruno down as nr.8 from the nr.10 position? To make room for one of Kvicha from Napoli and Georgia or Florian Wirtz from Bayer Leverkusen and Germany? There are many reasons and factors behind it. But i will only focus on key factors and reasons.

Here are the key factors to drop Bruno down as nr.8 :

• United are lacking top conistent service to their CF and others attacking players. Key reasons why United had struggled to scoring goals or low numbers of goals. Becuase the service to the CF is really low and not conistent
• Without a top nr.8/Eriksen or a Eriksen that is not on at his peak anymore. Is weakened United as a team. This factor relate to the service the CF and others attacking players. And without a top class creative nr.8. It will keep the team ability to keep the ball. Ball possession
• And without a top Eriksen. Out of injury or not as his peak. Bruno playing as a nr.10. Used to drop deep to often, to helping the team with the build up of the attack. And when Bruno drop down, it will lead to that it weakened the supporting of CF. Because a free CAM role/nr.10. They main job is to link the midfield with the attack and supporting the CF = reason the role is naming "supporting striker" not a creative CM/nr.8
• United are lacking players with top dribbling skill/flair. Players that easily beat and pass 1 and 2 opponent players. United simply don't have enough of those kind of players in the team. Special wingers and Bruno
• The level of a creative nr.8 out there in the football market is not as high as the level of a free nr.10 playmaker. In Florian Wirtz or Kvicha. If there is a nr.8 out there that has the same top level as those 2. And realistic and high chance that United can get and buy. Then you might keep Bruno as nr.10 and buy that top nr.8. But after following the football market in many years. Players not from others top clubs. Kvicha and Florian Wirts are at a really high level at this moment. Current level and form. Maybe Kvicha has drop a bit.

Now, what will Kvicha and Florian Wirtz will bring to United. What kind of qualities will they strength United attack, as a free nr.10 playmaker?

• They will deliver consistent support and service to the CF and others attacking players. Create assists, big chances and both of them are high potential goalscorer. Helping the team to create and scoring more goals
• They will bring the "fear factor" to opponent players and defend. Because of theirs skill/flair, pace, determination and sharpness
• Both of Kvicha and Florian Wirtz are really close to the top level as a free nr.10 playmaker
• To become a top winning team. A conistent really good attacking team. United and Ten Hag need top player of those football abilities, vision and understanding. Both of Kvicha and Wirtz has it. Compare to Bruno, who doesnt have a top ability to dribble and pass opponent players easily
• Special Wirtz. Bayer Leverkusen are like night and day without him. With Wirtz Leverkusen they has become a top team. And without him Bayer Leverkusen last season was so poor. It stop the top service theirs CF and attacking players.

And here are visual description of what they will bring to United, special in the attack as a free nr.10 playmaker

Kvicha:




Florian Wirtz :




We all can see theirs ability to beat and pass opponent players, but still with really ball control. I will rate theirs ball control really close to the top level of football. And why United and Ten Hag needs those abilities. Because Ten Hag and United are lacking of those abilities. On a conistent top level. It lead to inconistent service to United CF and others attacking players = lacking of goals and big chances. The nature of the process of creating and scoring goals


So when United get one of those 2. How to play and line them up in the team?:

I will start with 4411 formation. The formation Ten Hag had used most and still using it:


+ First against team United shall dominate :

Antony - Bruno 8 - Kobbie - Rashford + Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund

+ Against team United will sit back most of the time :

Antony - Bruno 8 - Amrabat/Casemiro - Rashford/Garnacho + Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund


That is the 4411 with those 2 in the team.


And the alternative formation. If Ten Hag is aiming to play proactive and dominating football. Not to sit back and counter attack most of the time. Then 433 with those 2 as LCM. A role a la Gundogan and Iniesta. Like this:


433 with proactive football. Dominating ball possession:

Antony - Bruno RCM - Mainoo CDM/6 - Wirtz/Kvicha - Rashford + Højlund = A top and really high combination of 6 players = high level of creating chances and scoring goals. I will mark and make it clear. Mason Mount is not a Kvicha/Wirtz/Gundogan/Iniesta nr.8 kind of player.
Mason Mount suit more against top teams. Which will make his ball winning ability really useful. Like this:

Against top teams. A more defensive set up 433

Antony - Bruno - Amrabat/Casemiro - Mount - Rashford/Kvicha/Wirtz + Højlund


Depend on the opponent parking the bus and playing tight. Then dribbling ability of Wirtz/Kvicha will be more useful as the left CM/8.


+ A really important note and key factor and decision. As a free nr.10 playmaker supporting the CF. You get them free role to roam all over the attacking area in a 4411 formation. Players like Kvicha, Wirtz, Kaka, Zidane, Cantona. Those players are best when they are free. To express all theirs football abilities. With no limit. You shall do that and this. They football vision and understanding are really high. Top level of creativeness. You just don't limit it. Reason why i am calling "A free nr.10 playmaker role"


+ And what are theirs market value right now?

Kvicha = 80 mill euros

https://www.transfermarkt.com/khvicha-kvaratskhelia/profil/spieler/502670


Florian Wirtz = 100 mill euros

https://www.transfermarkt.com/florian-wirtz/profil/spieler/598577


Top level of skill ful, vision and qualites does cost money. In others words. Top quality attacking players does cost a lot of money. They are not second or third rate/level player


Sum up of this article and recommendation : Team building towards premier league champion :

United and Ten Hag need top quality skill ful players. Top level attacking players that easily pass opponent players. Players that will bring fear to opponent defenders. But most of all. Players that deliver top and conistent support and service to the team CF and others attacking players = Rise the level of creating big chances and scoring goals = rise the chance to winning games = rise the chance to becoming premier league champion.

In the end. Do not buy another top CF or try to buy some others creative nr.8. Like above drop Bruno as the future Eriksen replacement and make Wirtz/Kvicha as the first prior target next summer.




A side topic and problem? Like what others position do United really need to strength? Still team building to becoming premier league champion. But i will just make it really short:

I clearly see, feel and believe. United and Ten Hag need a top class beast of a CB.

A top new nr.10 playmaker + A top beast of CB

Others postions i need to watch more before i make the last rating and decision.

You had me at "drop Bruno "

 

[LuckyScout78]

You had me at "drop Bruno "

drop, but not selling him

 

[Lyng]

I am all for going and getting Wirtz, but moving Bruno to the 8 position is asking for trouble. He lacks the positional intelligence to play that central midfield role.
Ten Hag has tried several times and every time has been a disaster. Bruno is fantastic at creating chances through his passing when playing as a 10. And that is the one position he is fantastic in. He is downright awful as a 8.

 

[Woziak]

If the Saudis offered £100m we should snap their hands off and use the money to buy an elite 8 and a young 10 like Morgan Gibbs white or Jacob Ramsey

 

[RedDevil@84]

Putting Bruno in no 8 will be up there with making Mata a RW. We tried Mata in RW and he sucked, so we just put him there for many more years and he sucked.