Course it is, they don't ask/demand, they don't get.
Townsend: "Footballers being painted as villains"
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Good luck convincing the super rich and powerful to do the right thing. Several governments have been shafted by their tax dodging and mercenary practices. The good ones are donating.
However the issue at hand is that minimum wage workers are losing 20% of their salary when the players are losing nish. Taking a 30% pay cut each would mean that every single non-playing worker could get paid in full and carry on feeding their kids, paying their bills etc. And I don't think this translates to every day businesses because every day businesses don't have 22+ multi-millionaires that largely understand the working class on their books.
F**k em. Sitting on Twitter crying how they’re being treated unfairly. Most of them earn more in a day than average person does in a year. Is that their fault? No. But f**king whining about being under the spotlight is very much on them.
It's blatantly obviously a tactic from the Tories to try and distract from their own failings and paint somebody else as the bad guys.
People were going mad about it on Facebook, laying in to football players before they had even declared their position. Conveniently Hancock waited until he, and the government were starting to get significant criticism for failing to hit the testing figures they had said they were going to hit and the disgraceful lack of PPE equipment and lack of testing of NHS workers.
This is a classic Tory tactic. Set a target, fail to hit it, then try and deflect the blame or attention on something or someone else.
People were going mad about it on Facebook, laying in to football players before they had even declared their position. Conveniently Hancock waited until he, and the government were starting to get significant criticism for failing to hit the testing figures they had said they were going to hit and the disgraceful lack of PPE equipment and lack of testing of NHS workers.
This is a classic Tory tactic. Set a target, fail to hit it, then try and deflect the blame or attention on something or someone else.
Agree 100%. This is a problem made by capitalists and the Conservative Party.
Footballers are not to blame.
Footballers are not to blame.
So if you were in a position to negotiate your wage to their levels you wouldn't? BS.
Clubs have done this to themselves in regards to contracts, they wanted more prize money, more TV money, more more more, this caused wages to go up and contracts to be where they are now.
This isn't a footballers battles to fight regarding covid 19. They're getting blamed for absolutely no reason. Easy targets, that's it. " Millionaires doing nothing" yet you get the people who could actually do something (staying at home) taking the piss and doing nothing.
They are not getting blamed for feck all, it's just being suggested they do their bit, and if some of them dipped a toe into the real world occasionally and they had anything about them they'd be embarrassed that they themselves, or the PFA hasn't suggested it sooner.
As public figures if they are guilt-tripped into doing the 'right' thing hopefully others making obscene money will feel obliged to do the same.
You're talking out your arse, loads of footballers already do a shit load of stuff in the real world for charity. They visit hospitals and allsorts. You just wanna bitch about stuff for the sake of it. Lots of them have even started charities. Maybe if you do some research instead of blindly guessing it would help.
Going after footballers is stupid.
https://www.football365.com/news/feature-premier-league-player-wage-cut-matt-hancock
Brilliant that. Wonder who it is.
Brilliant that. Wonder who it is.
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So it's the fault of Raheem Sterling now? I am glad that they didn't blame Odion for the covid19 in the UK.
Didn't Townsend say many players are already helping out like Marcus feeding so many children etc?
Didn't Townsend say many players are already helping out like Marcus feeding so many children etc?
Oh well if they visit Hospitals ....
The blowing bubbles bit makes me think WH player.
Exactly my point. You know nothing.
All the highest earners at big companies should be taking a pay cut to fund the lowest earners losses. This includes but is not exclusive to footballers, especially them however, as there’s not many companies that have employees on the amount they are. They’re particularly in focus because their job requires being in the limelight.
I don’t think they have been painted as villains, but the system being wrong has rightly been pointed out with football at the forefront, again because it’s something everyone sees.
I struggle to see much problem with it.
I don’t think they have been painted as villains, but the system being wrong has rightly been pointed out with football at the forefront, again because it’s something everyone sees.
I struggle to see much problem with it.
For me to expect footballers to fund society is ridiculously unfair but asking them to take a paycut to help keep their respective club afloat shouldn’t be beyond them - as long as other people at the club in big bucks are also doing the same accordingly.
Take a pay cut to fund employees on feck all being able to keep their house and their kids fed without putting the country into further debt which we’ll all have to pay for eventually. This isn’t even about donations to some random charity.
If he’s on that much, we should also ask him to take a pay cut for it too, but that’s unlikely.
They’re in a position where they can alleviate the problem and I see no issue with asking them, and anyone else who is on a similar amount (which isn’t many), to take some responsibility for helping the situation.
Footballers more than any other profession are also in an industry that rips people off to pay their wages for very little in return. Sure, people pay it by choice, but now is the time for them to give something back by choice.
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Need to add FSG and Liverpool FC to the pending list of people that are now waiting to be called out by Matt Hancock.
The premier League clubs themselves have enough money to pay the staff anyway, they're just being greedy, it's that simple. Players are willing to do things, but, as a company things have to be done the correct way. Cant just say "here have 3k to cover your wages" ... Doesn't quite work like that.
If a premier League club can't manage 4 weeks (that's all it is at the moment) then there is something seriously wrong with their finances anyway surely?
We shouldn't be forcing the issue, the clubs and players can handle it themselves. It's got feck all to do with the majority of us. (Well apart from its our tax money if they furlough their staff). Literally guilting people into doing what YOU think is right, they might have completely differing opinions.
Edit: btw I see your point and I agree, but it shouldn't be a lynch mob after them. They're adults, there is a good chance a high percentage of footballers feel the same way as the general public, but if anyone doesn't want to take a pay cut, they shouldn't be named.
Or you know press the far wealthier owners to do that, as they own the clubs. Or ask your club to do it & just cut down their transfer expenditure in the summer so they're not still spending obscene amount on buying more of the very same, overpaid players.
It wouldn’t be the players handing them money. It would be less pay with the rest funnelled to the staff. They may have different opinions, which is fine, but people are simply suggesting they be good humans.
Fine with that too.
Clubs like Liverpool, Spurs and Newcastle should be called out more than the players themselves. The latter as long as they pay their taxes are the least of our concerns.
Lets all feel sorry for those earning a 100000k PLUS per week and asking THEM to help the staff of the NHS that can keep their grandparents stay alive. Spread it around. Greed is a bigger killer than the virus.
Lets all feel sorry for those who have more than £1,000,000,000 but need people worth 1000x less than them to subsidise their employees
It's incredible how a bunch of lads who have trained all their life to kick a football are expected to take the lead on everything from combating racism, donating to charitable causes, worrying about redistributing wealth, food banks and to be 'role models'. If only the Guardian, the Telegraph and the Mail spent half as long scrutinizing the billionaire owners as they do on Pogba's hair. But why bother talking about Mike Ashley or Usmanov when there's the monthly 'when Cantona kicked a fan' article to look forward to.
Frankly it sounds totally made up. In fact it sounds exactly like Jonny Nic impersonating a fantasy footballer. Wouldn't be the first time f365 have made up a story.
I doubt it's Deeney. He hasn't played anywhere near 20 years. Maybe Jagielka, Defoe, Gareth Barry or Mark Noble.
Frankly it sounds totally made up. In fact it sounds exactly like Jonny Nic impersonating a fantasy footballer. Wouldn't be the first time f365 have made up a story.
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The average wage for a Premiership footballer is £3,000,000 a year.
Take out their 30% drop in wages announced today, and they’re going to have to struggle to cope on £175,000 a month.
There’s nurses dying out there caring for people with Coronavirus!
And these overpaid Prima donnas are sat on their arses racking in the cash!
Disgusting behaviour! They could have donated so much more.
Take out their 30% drop in wages announced today, and they’re going to have to struggle to cope on £175,000 a month.
There’s nurses dying out there caring for people with Coronavirus!
And these overpaid Prima donnas are sat on their arses racking in the cash!
Disgusting behaviour! They could have donated so much more.
First, you've forgotten to take the large amount they already pay to the state in tax into account in your equation. 45% isn't it?
Second, a lot of people could donate more than they do. Including quite a lot of posters on the caf probably. Maybe even you. There's no reason footballers in particular should be singled out for not donating every bit of their money they possibly could, especially in comparison to all the other multi-millionaires and billionaires in the UK already contributing less. Footballers come by their money more honestly and ethically than many others do.
Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention any money they might already donate to charity, which presumably doesn't stop either.
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More than that goes back into the state. There's discussion on this in the other thread, but once you take into account the employers and the employees NI contributions that works out about 60%. That's what you're robbing from the state to protect Ashley, Lewis & FSGs profit margins.
I thought this too, sounds like the journo interviewing himself so he has a "good" story to publish.
While we're at it, every single person in the uk, who's worth more than £10m should immediately have half of that reqresitioned and donated to NHS. Seems fair.
Also, anyone with more than 2 residences, should have remaining homes taken over by NHS staff.
Also, anyone with more than 2 residences, should have remaining homes taken over by NHS staff.
Only came into this thread as I thought it was the legendary Andy Townsend.
Not a guy who had about 2 good games.
Not a guy who had about 2 good games.
youre just saying that because he called you a creep
Footballers funding society should be a discretionary decision. If to some its a mandatory requirement, then every sports professional from Hamilton to Andy Murray should do the same, as it's unfair to ostracise footballers exclusively as if they are the only highest paid professionals in societies.
Owners cutting player wages should only be viable if maintaining high wages is a risk to the financial infrastructure of the club's well-being. Considering most clubs in the top division of English football have enough wealth to last a generation, it really comes down to a question of greed from the hierarchy.
Non playing staff surely aren't making a killing unless they have board level responsibilities. Sounds like larger clubs are using this as a detriment to penny pinch, no doubt looking at cashflow graphs with a magnifying glass.
Owners cutting player wages should only be viable if maintaining high wages is a risk to the financial infrastructure of the club's well-being. Considering most clubs in the top division of English football have enough wealth to last a generation, it really comes down to a question of greed from the hierarchy.
Non playing staff surely aren't making a killing unless they have board level responsibilities. Sounds like larger clubs are using this as a detriment to penny pinch, no doubt looking at cashflow graphs with a magnifying glass.
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Yep, they've been doing it quite a bit. When lockdown was first announced remember, the media was full of 'packed London tubes' - yeah, packed full of people who aren't fecking fortunate enough to be able to work from home, most likely - if it was a choice between getting sacked and having no money or having to go on the tube, every single one of us would be on that tube. Government trying to make the people bicker among themselves and blame/police each other to deflect attention from their own cockups.
feck Matt Hancock, the Tory prick.
It’s because most people don’t know anything about business or anyone who’s rich.
A lot of organisations were unprepared for this and slow to react. A friend of mine who can easily do his job from home only got set up 3 days ago. The Governments original strategy was to take it on the chin and build hurd immunity etc. It was only because of the backlash that they did a compete U turn! They didn't even consult the police when they put us on lockdown!
It's terrifying that we have the likes of Johnson and Hancock in charge and they have no idea what they are doing!
It seems the players aren't happy with the clubs, it's not just about the money. The players are demanding the clubs to keep all staff at full pay and also to have less media and commercial responsibilities because of the pay reduction / deferral. They've also asked for a larger donation from the PL to the NHS than the committed 20 million.
They're organizing a donation of their own apparently and don't want to cut salaries if it's going to only benefit the owners.
Source: https://theathletic.com/1723756/2020/04/04/premier-league-wages-30-per-cent-pfa/
They're organizing a donation of their own apparently and don't want to cut salaries if it's going to only benefit the owners.
Source: https://theathletic.com/1723756/2020/04/04/premier-league-wages-30-per-cent-pfa/
And the 25% that would be impacted? they should just take it and shut up?
I think as a society we're realising just how much we might have taken the NHS for granted.
It seems strange that we live in a world where someone who kicks a ball around gets paid so much more than someone who has the skill and ability to save a life