Transfer Record Under Ole

Craig Ward

Full Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2016
Messages
1,360
Why isn't Maguire considered world class, he would walk into every team in the world for me.
Bit of over hype there - he's nowhere near world class and i can assure you, he doesnt get into many elite level teams in world football.

If we put him up for sale tomorrow, for his price etc not many would even make an enquiry.

He's a damn good CB, but far from world class
 

DSG

Full Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2014
Messages
449
Location
A Whale’s Vagina
The Caf in fine form... 2 pages debating whether Maguire is merely decent to great.... with a sprinkling of discussion over Kroos and Ashley Young. :houllier:

Ole has done well with his transfers, and even better with his development of players.

Another way to look at this is that his defensive additions have improved our Goals Against from 10th to 2nd and avg per match of 1.4GA to 1.0 GA. Is that all due to Maguire? No. Is he the leader of the defense? Yes.

Offensively, we are not as good as last season by the numbers (1.71 GF vs. 1.51 GF). I think the eye test over the last several weeks would indicate that we are actually better at breaking down well organized sides. Without Pogba and Rashford, that’s actually not terrible.

It’s the turn over in key players in the side that is most encouraging, as others have mentioned. In addition to the transfer business, the introduction of Williams and Greenwood as frequently appearing in the first 11 is fantastic, not to mention the emergence of Fred.

8 new players into the fold vs. last season’s dross. Not bad.
 

Slik

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 7, 2018
Messages
109
Never too late to use your common sense instead of spinning yarns and making ludicrous assumptions just to put someone down a notch. Also it seems difference of opinions are no longer allowed on this forum and sometimes even without knowing the actual opinion!!!

P .S. This is not worth dragging anyway. So my intention was to indicate that in no way Maguire is a record fee defender. And it's not just about that clueless lunge. He has been average to good at best. Has had numerous shaky moments, luck and I cannot recall one game since August where he has been imperious. Or should we not even expect one super-boss game from our record signing?
So this is the common sense you talked about? Common sense is indeed not common
 

Tom Cato

Full Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2019
Messages
1,833
Or perhaps we hit a bit of a good form coincidentally with the arrival of bruno.

New players ussually shines for a few games because teams hasnt adapted to him. Kinda like james early on.

I'd wait untill next season at least to see where we are by then.

Time and number of games are the only real barometer of progress.
Harry Maguire and AWB are unknown to Premier League teams?

Manchester City played against Dan James last season. He played so well he earned public praise from Pep. Pretty sure they knew about him before we played them.

Bruno Fernandes is the only player that has not played in England before. But he did play 2 games v Arsenal in the 18/19 EL campaign. But I'm going to take a huge gamble and say that: The other team knew he signed for our team before we played them, and that some data was collected. "Good at passing" "Shoots a lot" probably came up.

Ighalo has scored 15 in the Premier League for Watford and is hardly unknown.

By all accounts, the season is over so might as well pass judgement how the signings have performed now. It has less to do with teams "adapting to players" and more to do with teammates finding synergy right off the bat. Bruno Fernandes and ighalo for example.
 

TrustInJanuzaj

Full Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2015
Messages
2,317
Bit of over hype there - he's nowhere near world class and i can assure you, he doesnt get into many elite level teams in world football.

If we put him up for sale tomorrow, for his price etc not many would even make an enquiry.

He's a damn good CB, but far from world class
Which teams doesn't he start for?
 

TrustInJanuzaj

Full Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2015
Messages
2,317
Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Juve, Liverpool.

Probably more based on style of play as well
Fair enough I think he’d walk into all those sides and also think his style of play is perfect for a front foot team, he’s aggressive and an excellent ball player.
 

Slik

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 7, 2018
Messages
109
Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Juve, Liverpool.

Probably more based on style of play as well

Haha Liverpool? Haha. What wouldn’t Klopp give to have Maguire besides Van dyke instead of Gomez or lovren. Maguire will easily start at PSG. Which defenders at Bayern and Dortmund do you consider to be better than Maguire? Only team he probably wouldn’t start is Juve. Maguire walks into Barca’s defense just as easily.
 

Djemba-Djemba

Full Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
13,442
Location
Manchester
Never too late to use your common sense instead of spinning yarns and making ludicrous assumptions just to put someone down a notch. Also it seems difference of opinions are no longer allowed on this forum and sometimes even without knowing the actual opinion!!!

P .S. This is not worth dragging anyway. So my intention was to indicate that in no way Maguire is a record fee defender. And it's not just about that clueless lunge. He has been average to good at best. Has had numerous shaky moments, luck and I cannot recall one game since August where he has been imperious. Or should we not even expect one super-boss game from our record signing?
Everton away about 3 weeks ago.
 

mannbeist

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Nov 5, 2013
Messages
26
Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Juve, Liverpool.

Probably more based on style of play as well
Would playing for Liverpool besides Van dijk .
Bayern with Sule.
Easily at Dormund, who play 3 at the back. And Hummels is way over the top.
Should be playing over Thiago Silva at PSG, but could be hard considering he is the captain.
Should also get decent playing time with Pique at Barca.
Rotation at Juve and Real.
 

jem

Full Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2010
Messages
6,530
Location
Toronto
I remember fergie saying he signed both Ashley young and Valencia based on their strong desire to join United.

Well it wasn't for anything else if we are honest.
Did you not watch Valencia's first 3 seasons with us?
 

Rifer

Full Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
4,766
Location
Losing to Comeback Winning!
Main (only?) criticism here is Maguire's ridiculous high fee.

Without that, the 5 signings are arguably good. Either meeting or exceeding expectations. So far mind.
 

mancave bear

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 22, 2017
Messages
96
Would playing for Liverpool besides Van dijk .
Bayern with Sule.
Easily at Dormund, who play 3 at the back. And Hummels is way over the top.
Should be playing over Thiago Silva at PSG, but could be hard considering he is the captain.
Should also get decent playing time with Pique at Barca.
Rotation at Juve and Real.
Good answer. Maguire is among the best, beeing a great leader as well.
 

Untd55

Full Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2018
Messages
600
Wan Bissaka - Always supported this signing. Continued his great defensive displays from last season. Also, improving on his attacking play. Very good signing.

James - Average player that has only one noticeable asset: pace. Not a terribly high price though, so I would rate it as an average signing.

Maguire - Good defender but very expensive. He has started playing much better in the last two months, being pretty underwhelming before that. He is a decent signing, but needs to continue and improve to be considered a good one.

Fernandes - Looks like a great signing thus far, but it has only been a short while, so need to hold off on rating this signing.

Overall, Solskjaer/recruitment team has not done bad thus far.
 

JJ12

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Mar 30, 2016
Messages
4,430
Location
Neath
His transfer work has been very promising. Ins and Outs.

I like the characters that he's bringing in, players who are actually desperate to play for United. Shipping out mercenaries and players with bad attitude which is why I think Pogba may have to go this summer (or whenever the window opens).
 

JJ12

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Mar 30, 2016
Messages
4,430
Location
Neath
Wan Bissaka - Always supported this signing. Continued his great defensive displays from last season. Also, improving on his attacking play. Very good signing.

James - Average player that has only one noticeable asset: pace. Not a terribly high price though, so I would rate it as an average signing.

Maguire - Good defender but very expensive. He has started playing much better in the last two months, being pretty underwhelming before that. He is a decent signing, but needs to continue and improve to be considered a good one.

Fernandes - Looks like a great signing thus far, but it has only been a short while, so need to hold off on rating this signing.

Overall, Solskjaer/recruitment team has not done bad thus far.
Also Ighalo even though only a loan - which can only be positive . Scoring some goals and offering us a different style in attack.
 

Untd55

Full Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2018
Messages
600
Also Ighalo even though only a loan - which can only be positive . Scoring some goals and offering us a different style in attack.
Forgot about him. Yes, he is a very good short-term signing as well. Seems to have a great finish; I honestly cannot remember him even being at Watford so he has been surprising.
 

Andycoleno9

Full Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Messages
10,220
Location
Croatia
Fernandes is top signing.
AWB despite huge flaw in going forward is very good signing with potential to be top signing.
Ighalo is excellent short term signing.

Maguire is solid signing but that is it. I am sorry but i can't ignore fee. We spent 80 mil on only slight upgrade in what we had. Too many flaws for 80mil defender. To be clear here; he had good season and he will be good fot us in future but still...we could have spend that money better.

James. Not a good signing. Yes, it is harsh to say it but he has pace and that is it. Bang average player. In 37 games he has 4 goals and 7 assists. That is abysmal for United attacker. In this case i don't care how nice lad he is or how big is his work rate. United attacker should not be rated by his passion. United attacker must produce something. And he doesn't. Stats don't lie.
 

GimmeThatBall_M8_NL

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Feb 2, 2016
Messages
240
I remember fergie saying he signed both Ashley young and Valencia based on their strong desire to join United.

Well it wasn't for anything else if we are honest.
Sir you are doing them wrong on this one. Both Young and Valencia were very useful until the end.
 

Ace of Spades

Full Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
3,525
All the signings have been excellent, the young players have room to improve and the established players have had an immediate impact.

A good squad is shaping up.
 

NoneBmStore

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
60
Fernandes is top signing.
AWB despite huge flaw in going forward is very good signing with potential to be top signing.
Ighalo is excellent short term signing.

Maguire is solid signing but that is it. I am sorry but i can't ignore fee. We spent 80 mil on only slight upgrade in what we had. Too many flaws for 80mil defender. To be clear here; he had good season and he will be good fot us in future but still...we could have spend that money better.

James. Not a good signing. Yes, it is harsh to say it but he has pace and that is it. Bang average player. In 37 games he has 4 goals and 7 assists. That is abysmal for United attacker. In this case i don't care how nice lad he is or how big is his work rate. United attacker should not be rated by his passion. United attacker must produce something. And he doesn't. Stats don't lie.
I'd call James a decent signing. If you criticize MacGuire because of the fee James' fee should be considered
I agree with you that the lacks some decision making, that being said, his number of assist could have been significantly higher had Rashdord and especially Martial understood that a striker needs to make runs on crosses!
With a Van Nistelrooy as a striker, he would have been well above 10 assists
 

Andycoleno9

Full Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Messages
10,220
Location
Croatia
I'd call James a decent signing. If you criticize MacGuire because of the fee James' fee should be considered
I agree with you that the lacks some decision making, that being said, his number of assist could have been significantly higher had Rashdord and especially Martial understood that a striker needs to make runs on crosses!
With a Van Nistelrooy as a striker, he would have been well above 10 assists
I read that often but why do you think that? James doesn't have good cross/low pass. Just in last few games he was in situation to just make low cross to player in the middle and he didn't manage to do that. James is overrated here because he is type of a player who has great working rate and passion plus he is really nice lad so he avoids criticsm because of that.

Of course, as i said in his thread, i have high expectations regarding wingers. Man Utd winger must have skill. Dribble, technique, good finishing. James doesn't have anything of that. He is old school winger for 442 formation (without good crossing ability).
 

NoneBmStore

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
60
I read that often but why do you think that? James doesn't have good cross/low pass. Just in last few games he was in situation to just make low cross to player in the middle and he didn't manage to do that. James is overrated here because he is type of a player who has great working rate and passion plus he is really nice lad so he avoids criticsm because of that.

Of course, as i said in his thread, i have high expectations regarding wingers. Man Utd winger must have skill. Dribble, technique, good finishing. James doesn't have anything of that. He is old school winger for 442 formation (without good crossing ability).
I agree with you in that his decision making in non-crossing situations leave something to desire
But in terms of crossing he'd be in double digits