I love how this forum is obsessed with “backups” every transfer is seen as a backup whilst simultaneously claiming that our starting 11 is shit and they won’t even make a league 1 side
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I just think there are more players in the queue to go before him, he never cost anything so it’s easier to make that assessment, our midfield is seriously weak and in all honesty we currently only have Mainoo, Mount, Bruno are of the required standard to play for the club.
That means we need to remove Casemiro, Hannibal, S McTominay and C Eriksen who are all not currently of the standard and mobility the club needs. Toby Collyer will become the 6th/7th midfielder so we need at least 2 and Eriksen ability to create in the last 20 minutes is more valuable than Casemiro or S McTominay that both offer the club more in potential sales. I’m staggered we have not done A Rabiot on a free and rumoured £160k per wages when he clearly wants to come.
We need a massive upgrade in midfield and at least Rabiot plus Ugarte or Fofana plus Zubimendi or any 2 player combination of those 4 players to be a serious contender for top 4 next season.
City and Arsenal are locked in, Liverpool have the squad and Chelsea with Osimhen is scary, Villa have done the best business off all the top 8 so far and Newcastle have no European football.
IMO Eriksen is the first one out, if anything. All the other players (well maybe not Lindelof, although Lindelof is better when starting a game) have a role in this team. Eriksen doesn't have a role. He cant start as a deep midfielder, he has at least 3-4 players ahead of him in the no 10 position. The biggest reason to let him go, though, is that he is on 150k a week. He is one of the club's top earners and doesn't even have a squad role. He started 11 PL games last season, United lost 5 of them.
Let’s just sign Iniesta then, because Eriksen outside of injury is going to play in zero meaningful games and can’t actually move.
They are all pretty solid players for any PL outside the top 4. The issue is their huge wages which was caused by us having to pay high to get them to come here in the first place!
So on your opinion, we don't need backups ?
I didn’t say that
Think the logic is that last seasons starters should be the backups, and we should be signing players to replace them in starting xi
The logic is - our squad in several positions is paper thin. And Dalot and Shaw (when fit) are good enough - but behind them we have nothing. Nor do we have money to sign players who are better than them - but we have money to sign decent backups.
I agree on the improvement part, we need to improve in the midfield significantly. Casemiro, Scott and Eriksen are somewhat partial players, with huge deficiencies in their game at this stage. If we do get 3 more players in, in De Ligt, Mazraoui and Ugarte, I do see potential rumors for Rabiot as well, we might have half a squad brought in, which will have never played together before, so we are now facing potential Chelsea scenario from last year, where the players were almost all new, and it took them a lot of time to understand each other, and to start implementing philosophy on the pitch. it will take time to get everybody up to speed, a time that Ten Hag might not have.
We won’t move all the players out and right now unless we buy at least 4/5 more players we are fighting for 6th/7th place. The club needs an Elite CB, A decent FB who can play left and right, Two Midfield players and either a wide inverted striker or an established goal scorer like I Toney.
If we had a dream window of selling ; AWB, V Lindelof, J Sancho, S McTominay, Hannibal and F Pellistri for £100m more meaning we would have made player sales for £135m and then bought ; J Zirkzee(36m),
L Yoro(52m), Mazraoui(18m), M De Ligt(38m), Ugarte(loan 7m), A Rabiot(Free), I Toney (50m)
The Total net spend would be about £65m net and the two sides we could field would look more like this;
First 11
A Onana, D Dalot, M De Ligt, L Martinez, L Shaw, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno, Amad, Hojlund, Rashford
Alternative 11
A Bayinder, Masraoui, H Maguire, L Yoro, H Amass, Casemiro, A Rabiot, Mount, Zirkzee, Toney, Garnacho
Squad
J Evan’s, T Mallacia, T Collyer, Antony, C Eriksen
This is the type of squad we need to compete over 60-65 matches this season and don’t tell me we don’t need Toney, the club needs goals and Zirkzee is more of an assist king. That midfield is a huge upgrade on the last two seasons, we may even still need another specialist left back or LB/CB hybrid type player.
I really like both those squads to be fair
Never in a month of Sundays are we buying Toney for anything close to 50m
I don’t disagree with you that there is no real role for Eriksen although his experience could be useful for all the young players and he is a level headed, professional, hard training example for them, but if you use stats to make your point use them well. According to sofascore he started 12 games in the PL of which United lost 5 of them. That is a losing percentage of 41,6 percent. Which is pretty in line with the whole season, and so also in line with a lot of other players in the squad, where United lost 14 of 38 PL games, which is a losing percentage of 36,8 percent. Those losing percentages are really bad for Eriksen but it was bad for everyone in the squad last season.
Still ruining people's dreams GB, you monster.
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Oh yeah I agree with that
But it’s fun
Oh I know!Nope however we are looking for another striker other wise, the club would not be linked with DCL, Maximilian Beier and Ivan Toney. If Sancho goes someone else is coming in?
Signing Toney is a personal nightmare of mine
Signing a striker is the last thing we should be thinking about now. In order of priority, we should be looking at:
CB
Full Back
DM
CM
RW
CB
Full Back
DM
CM
RW
Our starting 11 definitely isn't shit. Personally think it's the 3rd best in the league after City and Arsenal. The problem is we basically never get to see our best 11 due to injuries. Our squad depth is among the worst in the top 10.
I don’t get our fans obsession with him. I
Don’t see it
Our best-11 has a couple of gaping holes in it - but 8-9 of the players when fit are up there with City and Arsenal. Of course that doesn't help when the gaping holes aren't good enough and our back-up players aren't good enough
But Onana, Shaw, Martinez, Yoro, Dalot - Mainoo, Bruno (one quality midfielder missing) - Diallo, Højlund and Garnacho on paper looks really good.
But to say that our squad depth is among the worst in the top 10 is stretching it . If you look at the second best 11
Altay - Malacia, Lindelof, Maguire, AWB - McTominay, Eriksen, Zirkzee, Mount, Rashford, Sancho is probably the 4th or 5th best.
But Onana, Shaw, Martinez, Yoro, Dalot - Mainoo, Bruno (one quality midfielder missing) - Diallo, Højlund and Garnacho on paper looks really good.
But to say that our squad depth is among the worst in the top 10 is stretching it . If you look at the second best 11
Altay - Malacia, Lindelof, Maguire, AWB - McTominay, Eriksen, Zirkzee, Mount, Rashford, Sancho is probably the 4th or 5th best.
Dont think so. We are not getting 3 strikers, we already have 2. Sancho has already been replaced with Amad.
Bayindir
Mazraoui
Lindelof/Maguire
De Ligt
Malacia
Casemiro
Eriksen/Collyer
Mount
Antony/Sancho
Rashford
Zirkzee
Is not half bad, but we still need some signings.
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I don’t believe those rumours. We play a system with one up top. We’ve already got Hojlund, Zirkzee and Rashford who can play there. If we have 50m to wave around on a striker I’d suggest it would be best spent elsewhere
I’m not disagreeing with you but the hierarchy are rightly so, concerned about the number of goals this United team scores and creates. Benny McCarthy was an attacking coach widely liked by the whole squad, but the powers above were simply not impressed and this is the real reason RVN is part of the revamped coaching team, yes they’ve kept ETH but with caveats.
One of those is a different brand of football this season, much more attacking style and more goals with less goals conceded. You say we are well covered in this area but we are one injury away from a crisis.
Consider Hojlund actually has a more severe injury than the one caused against Arsenal, Zirkzee Fails to settle to the PL pace and Rashford goes 9 but can’t hold the ball up.
If Ivan Toney was on a free would we sign him, probably as the window timer ticks down and Brentford realise he could leave for free next summer, maybe a £30-35m bid actually gets that done and finally creates true competition in our attacking positions both Toney and Zirkzee can play as 10’s and Toney is probably the best 9 of the options listed, we need goals, we need assists so we need to upgrade the fullbacks and the midfield too.
We don’t need another penalty taker
This post is nothing but idle speculation and ifs and buts over worst case scenarios, along with a dash of fantasy land football manager. With our limited funds and gaping holes elsewhere in the squad, we are not getting Toney.
Dalot was our best player last season pretty much.
Good. The bloke is so overrated. Would be a decent squaddie at 20m or so, that's about it.
Couldn't agree more. Outside of penalties he is really not that special
Hope it doesn't come across as too argumentative here, but are you saying AWB is nothing? He is the best 1 v 1 defender in the league, easily, and he is decent enough going forward. If Luke is on the other flank then I think AWB is a fine option as a starter and a great option as a backup.
I think too many of you are getting hung up on his 1v1 defending. Yes, he’s world class in that regard, but how many teams have a left winger that it’s that important to lock down? Less than a handful. Now let’s look at the other parts of his game…
Defending space and tracking runners he’s miserable at. He loses backdoor runners all the time. It’s been a problem with him since day one and is more important than the ability to defend 1v1 especially if we play a high line.
Defending his box aerially. Again, he’s awful in the air. Not as big of a deal if we don’t plan on sitting deep, so let’s move on.
In possession and attacking …horrible. He struggles with ball control, doesn’t choose the right angles when showing for passes, makes poor decisions and poor runs. It’s one thing to be a non threat in possession, it’s another to be a liability which he is against any team with a decent press.
Having a 1v1 specialist just doesn’t make more sense than having a guy who’s a better fit for a high line, possession team.
Defending space and tracking runners he’s miserable at. He loses backdoor runners all the time. It’s been a problem with him since day one and is more important than the ability to defend 1v1 especially if we play a high line.
Defending his box aerially. Again, he’s awful in the air. Not as big of a deal if we don’t plan on sitting deep, so let’s move on.
In possession and attacking …horrible. He struggles with ball control, doesn’t choose the right angles when showing for passes, makes poor decisions and poor runs. It’s one thing to be a non threat in possession, it’s another to be a liability which he is against any team with a decent press.
Having a 1v1 specialist just doesn’t make more sense than having a guy who’s a better fit for a high line, possession team.
No - I like AWB, but at present we have 2 left-backs we can't rely on, and AWB who also was injured a lot last season. And we don't have a single player who can fill that position well for a few games. We don't have a midfielder who can do it (Amrabat tried and was awful) , we don't have a central defender who can do it (Lindelöf has tried a few times and have been poor) - and we don't have a single youngster who is anywhere near good enough. Yes we do have Amass - but he is still defensively too inexperienced.