Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25

Dannn411 said:
Why is that not how it works? Do clubs sell reliable players? Especially in an area of the team that needs all the reinforcements and quality it can get? Let's not kid ourselves.
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Teams always look to improve.
McTominay is fine squad player and I'd much rather move on Casemiro or Eriksen.
But everything has levels.

If Fulham need a midfielder, why not just go for Rabiot on a free. Yes thats right, because he wouldn't want to go to them, so they need to find players who are willing to move clubs.
McTominay at Fulham would be a starter and a very good player. An international player, with European experience and chips in with goals.

For us, he's a decent / good squad player, but for Fulham, he'd be one of their best players.
Then there is us, we're willing to go to around 40-45m for Ugarte, which suggests we rate him better than what we have, in this case, McTominay, so we raise funds to help make the deal happen
 
Dannn411 said:
Why is that not how it works? Do clubs sell reliable players? Especially in an area of the team that needs all the reinforcements and quality it can get? Let's not kid ourselves.
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Of course they do. Contract situations, potential improvements available, player looking for more playing time etc.
 
Dannn411 said:
Finally. Things are in motion. After this, go get 2 CMs that are not scared of the ball.
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Latest Romano tweet is still just talking about one midfielder, my gut feeling is that it was only going to be two if Casemiro/Eriksen was sold
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Then there is us, we're willing to go to around 40-45m for Ugarte, which suggests we rate him better than what we have, in this case, McTominay, so we raise funds to help make the deal happen
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Its more that we want to change an offensive midfielder for a defensive one, since we have enough of the former and not the latter.
 
theklr said:
Its more that we want to change an offensive midfielder for a defensive one, since we have enough of the former and not the latter.
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Also a valid point.
I think one of the bigger mistakes we made was signing Mount.
Even before the injury hit season, it felt an underwhelming signing.

But thats the past, that was the old regime. I actually like how the new guys have gone about their business so far
 
Didnt Bayern accept 13.5M for Mazraoui from West Ham? Wouldnt be surprised if they are suddenly asking more from us.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Also a valid point.
I think one of the bigger mistakes we made was signing Mount.
Even before the injury hit season, it felt an underwhelming signing.

But thats the past, that was the old regime. I actually like how the new guys have gone about their business so far
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Yeah maybe he has a really good season but feel we could have spent that money better
 
Highfather_24 said:
Didnt Bayern accept 13.5M for Mazraoui from West Ham? Wouldnt be surprised if they are suddenly asking more from us.
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Why should we match West Ham’s bid, they could bid £100m, if the player doesn’t want to go there and only wants us, we bid what we think he’s worth. Same reason why Real have been able to bid lower than a rival and usually still get the player is because at the end of the day, the player’s choice in paramount.
 
Devil_forever said:
Why should we match West Ham’s bid, they could bid £100m, if the player doesn’t want to go there and only wants us, we bid what we think he’s worth. Same reason why Real have been able to bid lower than a rival and usually still get the player is because at the end of the day, the player’s choice in paramount.
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I think the point was why should we be going any higher than West Ham's bid, not why should we match it. West Ham had their bid accepted so that's what Bayern have set as an acceptable selling price, for them to then ask us for more is taking the piss
 
Juice Juiced said:
He is tearing up in the league from were we bought Rasmus and Zirkzee, 26y old enetering his prime.
@Rojofiam
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He's a good player but nowhere near worth 100m. Real value is probably around half that. His main strength that could translate well into a more difficult league and a team that's not as dominant in the PL as Inter currently are in Italy is his ball striking IMO, but that's just one of the things you need from a striker. So it would be a massive mistake spending triple-digits or close to that on him.

He's also a very environment dependent player. The only two teams in the PL where he could somewhat replicate his Inter numbers are City and Arsenal, but those two teams have better players up front than him. And he would have a much harder time in the PL even if he played for a dominant team like Inter because it's more physical. So the numbers would decline. Alvarez is very similar at City IMO. Similar profile. Good ball striking, good mental profile, works hard and makes good runs in a system that's well-oiled and dominates most of their opponents, so it leads to him looking like a world beater because he has good ball striking and often finds himself in big empty spaces when receiving the ball, with his runs in behind.

Please, also consider that the teams Hojlund and Zirkzee played in were nowhere near Inter's level collectively. 22/23 Atalanta finished 5th on 64 points and Hojlund wasn't even a guaranteed starter for them. But if you look at the minutes he played, he was a 1 in 2 striker for them, which is impressive at 19 and no prior experience in a top 5 European league: 10 goals and 4 assists in 1835 minutes (20.38 full matches of playtime if you divide by 90).

Zirkzee is not a huge goal threat but United were aware of that when he was brought in. He's a facilitator type, different to Lautaro. Hojlund is different too, but Hojlund's main objective is to score goals. I don't think that's the case with Zirkzee. But the potential to grow into a deadly striker is there with him too IMO, but it will likely take years for him to develop into something like that.

So my point is that Martínez's and Alvárez's reliance on the system they're deployed in leads to them getting heavily overestimated in the eyes of most football fans. Both players would look like shadows of themselves if they came to United, especially the 2023/24 season version of the team.

I know this will be laughed at, but Hojlund is quite easily the more valuable profile than both Argentines. He just needs to develop for a bit and for United to create a collectively good and well-oiled system/environment around him, and then my previous sentence will become the general consensus, because Hojlund will be dropping 30 goals per season without breaking a sweat.
 
RuudTom83 said:
All logic and reason goes out the window when United come knocking.

Add that United tax on!
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Because we've been letting clubs take the piss out of us for years and it will be some time before that reputation goes away.
 
Blood Mage said:
Because we've been letting clubs take the piss out of us for years and it will be some time before that reputation goes away.
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Only way for that reputation to go away is to start winning again. When we win, the best players will push harder to move to us and that will mean we can offer lower fees. Winning solves everything. Including off-field troubles.
 
If selling McTominay is the only way to get a new midfielder in then we absolutely need to do it. Going past August with our current set of options unchanged from last season would be disastrous and inadequate from the management.
 
klayton88 said:
Fulham need to shit or get off the pot. They've been stringing this along for too long now.
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Yeah, how dare they let negotiations run on so long. And to us, of all clubs. The cheek.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Do you know what the offer was?
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I don’t have posting privileges, but someone from ESPN said it’s around the £55 million for the pair.

I think this is a fair valuation, 15 for the RB and 40 for de ligt.

Optimistic that this can be done under 65 for both. (47.5 + 17.5)
 
CtrlAltDeLigt said:
I don’t have posting privileges, but someone from ESPN said it’s around the £55 million for the pair.

I think this is a fair valuation, 15 for the RB and 40 for de ligt.

Optimistic that this can be done under 65 for both. (47.5 + 17.5)
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Rob Dawson from ESPN said £55m for the pair is what Bayern want. That suggests this mornings offer was below that, or at least structured in a way Bayern didn't like.
 
Rojofiam said:
He's a good player but nowhere near worth 100m. Real value is probably around half that. His main strength that could translate well into a more difficult league and a team that's not as dominant in the PL as Inter currently are in Italy is his ball striking IMO, but that's just one of the things you need from a striker. So it would be a massive mistake spending triple-digits or close to that on him.

He's also a very environment dependent player. The only two teams in the PL where he could somewhat replicate his Inter numbers are City and Arsenal, but those two teams have better players up front than him. And he would have a much harder time in the PL even if he played for a dominant team like Inter because it's more physical. So the numbers would decline. Alvarez is very similar at City IMO. Similar profile. Good ball striking, good mental profile, works hard and makes good runs in a system that's well-oiled and dominates most of their opponents, so it leads to him looking like a world beater because he has good ball striking and often finds himself in big empty spaces when receiving the ball, with his runs in behind.

Please, also consider that the teams Hojlund and Zirkzee played in were nowhere near Inter's level collectively. 22/23 Atalanta finished 5th on 64 points and Hojlund wasn't even a guaranteed starter for them. But if you look at the minutes he played, he was a 1 in 2 striker for them, which is impressive at 19 and no prior experience in a top 5 European league: 10 goals and 4 assists in 1835 minutes (20.38 full matches of playtime if you divide by 90).

Zirkzee is not a huge goal threat but United were aware of that when he was brought in. He's a facilitator type, different to Lautaro. Hojlund is different too, but Hojlund's main objective is to score goals. I don't think that's the case with Zirkzee. But the potential to grow into a deadly striker is there with him too IMO, but it will likely take years for him to develop into something like that.

So my point is that Martínez's and Alvárez's reliance on the system they're deployed in leads to them getting heavily overestimated in the eyes of most football fans. Both players would look like shadows of themselves if they came to United, especially the 2023/24 season version of the team.

I know this will be laughed at, but Hojlund is quite easily the more valuable profile than both Argentines. He just needs to develop for a bit and for United to create a collectively good and well-oiled system/environment around him, and then my previous sentence will become the general consensus, because Hojlund will be dropping 30 goals per season without breaking a sweat.
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Gabriel Jesus or Havertz are better than Martinez? He is probably best striker after Halland.
 
diarm said:
Rob Dawson from ESPN said £55m for the pair is what Bayern want. That suggests this mornings offer was below that, or at least structured in a way Bayern didn't like.
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For that amount, it’s a no brainer. Hope we get it concluded soon so we can move onto strengthening our midfield.
 
diarm said:
Rob Dawson from ESPN said £55m for the pair is what Bayern want. That suggests this mornings offer was below that, or at least structured in a way Bayern didn't like.
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If that is correct...not unreasonable from Bayern
 
lysglimt said:
If that is correct...not unreasonable from Bayern
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I don't think it's unreasonable at all.

As we're discussing on the other thread though, the language used in the Ornstein tweets and a few others, suggests that the offer we made matches the amount the players agent was told would be enough to get the deals done, when Bayern instigated the sale of both players this summer in the first place.

If it's now the case that Bayern have turned it down, either because of fans complaining about the sales or because it's Man United and they're feeling greedy - it makes sense that we hold firm while the agent puts some pressure on Bayern to honour the original agreement.
 
diarm said:
Rob Dawson from ESPN said £55m for the pair is what Bayern want. That suggests this mornings offer was below that, or at least structured in a way Bayern didn't like.
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We can’t shift a single player on high wages for any sort of fee. Bayern can feck right off, accept our offer or be stuck with a liability that will suck up your wages for another three years.
 
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