It's pretty fecking gross to be honest.
Transgender Athletes
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You are and you can please stop engaging with me now because youre just as bad as him to be honest. Aren't you meant to be a mod or something?But is he the one using that early life health event as an excuse for not knowing what you are talking about while holding forth on other children's lives?
I'm not making any excuses for Vim.
VorZakone
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Isn't it morally bankrupt to force biological females to compete against biological males?I think excluding people is pretty morally bankrupt to be honest.
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This was a nice civilised conversation befor3
Personally I don't think it automatically is, no.Isn't it morally bankrupt to force biological females to compete against biological males?
So you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?I think excluding people is pretty morally bankrupt to be honest.
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But it isn't when your performance in said sports are how you earn the money to put food on the table, and it's absolutely laughable that someone who was going on about elitism earlier is dismissing this just because they know little about it.Winning a game of sport is immaterial and inconsequential in the great scheme of things.
How on earth is someone's career and livelihood remotely immaterial and inconsequential?
If it's so immaterial, surely Laurel Hubbard would be content with her career as a male?
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WTF are you on about? If you'd bothered to ask I'd have given you a little insight into what it takes to train in a competitive sport whilst coming from a deprived background and no, does it say Staff next to my name?You are and you can please stop engaging with me now because youre just as bad as him to be honest. Aren't you meant to be a mod or something?
and we all get an inclusion medalSo you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?
I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.So you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?
VorZakone
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Why not?Personally I don't think it automatically is, no.
The situation described to me wasn't a deprived background.WTF are you on about? If you'd bothered to ask I'd have given you a little insight into what it takes to train in a competitive sport whilst coming from a deprived background and no, does it say Staff next to my name?
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ding ding dingI think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.
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We all have problems, we don't all have the same ones but you feel it is okay to gob off because yours was a certain type of problem.The situation described to me wasn't a deprived background.
Yeah, and you’ve argued against them.I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.
Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?Why not?
What gobbing off are we talking about here? I'm just putting things into a different perspective.We all have problems, we don't all have the same ones but you feel it is okay to gob off because yours was a certain type of problem.
would a transgender division make sense? Like the have the Paralympics . Always wondered why that isnt a thingI think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.
Scarlett Dracarys
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As a biological male would you feel comfortable competing against women and beating them ? If you knew you were a whole other level would you still want to compete with the weaker folks because you're guaranteed to win ?Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?
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Why do you think it's a lack of morality to avoid biological females competing against biological males? Seems like a stretch to me.Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?
If a man wants to become a woman, fine. But your choice has consequences for other women. Don't be surprised if they don't want to compete against you. Women can flip the morality argument at you too, you know. Why do you want to compete with me?
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Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.would a transgender division make sense? Like the have the Paralympics . Always wondered why that isnt a thing
"if a man wants to become a woman, fine"Why do you think it's a lack of morality to avoid biological females competing against biological males? Seems like a stretch to me.
If a man wants to become a woman, fine. But your choice has consequences for other women. Don't be surprised if they don't want to compete against you. Women can flip the morality argument at you too, you know. Why do you want to compete with me?
Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.
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What's transphobic about that comment? I literally said it's fine."if a man wants to become a woman, fine"
Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.
Build it and they will come I say.Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.
Imagine being a transperson and hearing there is a specific division for you now where you can compete fairly on the world stage. You know you can train and compete against others fairly and openly and will lead others to try and train for it. I think it would actually help bring along the trans community in the long run.
Chill, incel."if a man wants to become a woman, fine"
Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.
Ah, the mods have arrived.Chill, incel.
Leave it out mate. He once had a stroke.Chill, incel.
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I have no ideaWhat's transphobic about that comment? I literally said it's fine.
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Great innit? If you don't happen to agree with someone you're a transphobe (sic).
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No need for this one right enoughIf I stick my wife's knickers and bra on and say I am female, could I compete?
I think you would need to do it for a year while maintaing 290 Ng/dl total testIf I stick my wife's knickers and bra on and say I am female, could I compete?
Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshitthinly veiled transphobes
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We should probably wait until trans women start winning at least semi regularly before saying that they're guaranteed to win.As a biological male would you feel comfortable competing against women and beating them ? If you knew you were a whole other level would you still want to compete with the weaker folks because you're guaranteed to win ?
This is how women’s wrestling was in the US a couple decades ago. Now it is one of the fastest growing sports in America.Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.
BingoBuild it and they will come I say.
Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.
Let's not let reality get in the way of bigotry now.We should probably wait until trans women start winning at least semi regularly before saying that they're guaranteed to win.
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No one here is being a bigot or transphobeWell this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.
Let's not let reality get in the way of bigotry now.
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No no no no no. It's bigotry I tells you.Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshit
There's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshit