Yeah, and look when the thread took a bad turn.Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.
Yeah, and look when the thread took a bad turn.Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.
Why don't you take the piss out of my stroke again.No no no no no. It's bigotry I tells you.
Don’t try that shit. You are calling people who have a legitimate disagreement with you on scientific grounds transphobic because you don’t like what they’re saying. It’s simple as.There's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.
The point someone said something gross to another member and the mods just stood by or even joined in?Yeah, and look when the thread took a bad turn.
Thats not what he saidThere's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.
Carolina Red. I know what you're about too. No surprise here.Don’t try that shit. You are calling people who have a legitimate disagreement with you on scientific grounds transphobic because you don’t like what they’re saying. It’s simple as.
I have no idea what your stroke is like dear boy. Mine were Freestyle and Butterfly. Useless in Breaststroke due to a screw kick.Why don't you take the piss out of my stroke again.
It's literally how he worded it.Thats not what he said
If there's piss then you are probably doing it wrong.Why don't you take the piss out of my stroke again.
Again I dearly hope you never have one because you wouldn't be taking the piss if you did.I have no idea what your stroke is like dear boy. Mine were Freestyle and Butterfly. Useless in Breaststroke due to a screw kick.
Why? Don't you think people may try to exploit it? I'm sure I heard about a guy that disabled himself to compete in the Paralympics.No need for this one right enough
Yep, this is where we're at in this thread.Why? Don't you think people may try to exploit it? I'm sure I heard about a guy that disabled himself to compete in the Paralympics.
Strokes are horrific- I've seen firsthand the devastating impact they can have and am sorry to hear that @Shamwow had to go through that, particularly at a young age.Leave it out mate. He once had a stroke.
As I said, we all have problems, I don't particularly want to be a sad sack by listing mine.Again I dearly hope you never have one because you wouldn't be taking the piss if you did.
One poster does not speak for everyoneYep, this is where we're at in this thread.
It's curious what some people get wound up at though, and what they don't get wound up at.One poster does not speak for everyone
Everyone is getting wound up at you calling them bigots.It's curious what some people get wound up at though, and what they don't get wound up at.
Yeah. I’m about maintaining fairness in sport.Carolina Red. I know what you're about too. No surprise here.
And I wouldn't mock you for them or standby while someone else does. That's the difference between us.As I said, we all have problems, I don't particularly want to be a sad sack by listing mine.
How would he react if somebody called him a misogynist?Strokes are horrific- I've seen firsthand the devastating impact they can have and am sorry to hear that @Shamwow had to go through that, particularly at a young age.
I don't understand his belligerent dismissal of cis women's rights or what they want though. He's a bloke talking about equality while disregarding half the human race.
For them to challenge me on that? And not use my medical history as piss take material? I know one is easier and doesn't require actual introspection but I'd prefer the other.Everyone is getting wound up at you calling them bigots.
Your attacking their character, what do you expect
I don't feel I've set out to mock you but this all goes back to your comment about children needing to learn a lesson by coming second. I challenged you on that and then you said you'd had a stroke so never got the chance to find out. Do we all need to bring up our backgrounds to justify not knowing what we are talking about or does an opinion backed with evidence and knowledge do the trick most of the time?And I wouldn't mock you for them or standby while someone else does. That's the difference between us.
I'm sharing all this with my partner, who is a woman so I'm not exactly disregarding women entirely here. But I know that is the standard retort.Strokes are horrific- I've seen firsthand the devastating impact they can have and am sorry to hear that @Shamwow had to go through that, particularly at a young age.
I don't understand his belligerent dismissal of cis women's rights or what they want though. He's a bloke talking about equality while disregarding half the human race.
I mean you were asking my about my background so why would you expect me to not bring it up?I don't feel I've set out to mock you but this all goes back to your comment about children needing to learn a lesson by coming second. I challenged you on that and then you said you'd had a stroke so never got the chance to find out. Do we all need to bring up our backgrounds to justify not knowing what we are talking about or does an opinion backed with evidence and knowledge do the trick most of the time?
It seems you're either a transphobe or a misogynist, depending on which side of the debate you land.How would he react if somebody called him a misogynist?
For what it's worth i think the wanking comment was out of line. I also feel you were trying to guilt trip the posters by mentioning your unfortunate incident at such a age. Please note thats only how i felt at the first instance of reading it, it however didnt warrant the blind comment. Didnt think that was right. My Grandmother has had a stroke right in front of me, wouldnt wish that on anyone or make fun of it.For them to challenge me on that? And not use my medical history as piss take material? I know one is easier and doesn't require actual introspection but I'd prefer the other.
I was responding to a post that was trying to guilt trip me. I just did a better job because my story wasn't one of privelige.For what it's worth i think the wanking comment was out of line. I also feel you were trying to guilt trip the posters by mentioning your unfortunate incident at such a age. Please note thats only how i felt at the first instance of reading it, it however didnt warrant the blind comment. Didnt think that was right. My Grandmother has had a stroke right in front of me, wouldnt wish that on anyone or make fun of it.
I didn't ask you for your background health issues, I responded to this post below...I mean you were asking my about my background so why would you expect me to not bring it up?
....with thisAgain, I could turn that around on you and ask is the opposite situation not even more harsh. Those kids sound pretty lucky in the first place to be honest. Coming second might do them some good.
I suppose you are going to surprise me and tell me that you gave up virtually all of your free time as a child, teenager and young adult to train for a competitive sport.
Sorry for giving context to your question.I didn't ask you for your background health issues, I responded to this post below...
....with this
And btw, kids aren't lucky if they have caring parents trying to help them reach their potentials, that's the way it is supposed to be.
Nothing wrong with this. Just watch the influx of transgender athletes if this is allowed to happen.Yep, this is where we're at in this thread.
where i am from this is definitely luck, its also how its supposed be yet not the case in most homes.I didn't ask you for your background health issues, I responded to this post below...
....with this
And btw, kids aren't lucky if they have caring parents trying to help them reach their potentials, that's the way it is supposed to be.
I have a trans person in my extended family so I'm not totally ignorant of the kind of challenges she's faced.I'm sharing all this with my partner, who is a woman so I'm not exactly disregarding women entirely here. But I know that is the standard retort.
Okay....Nothing wrong with this. Just watch the influx of transgender athletes if this is allowed to happen.
I didn't realise 100% of biological women compete in sport. I always thought elite athletes were a tiny minority of people. Correct me if I'm wrong.I have a trans person in my extended family so I'm not totally ignorant of the kind of challenges she's faced.
I just think you'r sacrificing fairness for half the population for inclusion for a small minority. You can have genuine pushback on that without it being down to bigotry. Neither route is fair but favouring women born male over cis women in a world full of female oppression feels the least fair option.
Your choice. I suppose I should avoid asking you any questions in future just to make sure I don't receive totally irrelevant context. We all have problems.Sorry for giving context to your question.
Kids are lucky if they get life the way it is supposed to be. That is an unfortunate fact.
Not everyone who disagrees on the sport issue is transphobic and it is complex which was the point of my original post to Alex who seemed to have broken it down to just compete in your biological category. But there is definitely some transphobia being exhibited in this thread and you'd have to be blind not to see it.I have a trans person in my extended family so I'm not totally ignorant of the kind of challenges she's faced.
I just think you'r sacrificing fairness for half the population for inclusion for a small minority. You can have genuine pushback on that without it being down to bigotry. Neither route is fair but favouring women born male over cis women in a world full of female oppression feels the least fair option.
Just a bitfavouring women born male over cis women in a world full of female oppression feels the least fair option.
Why does irrelevant context upset you so much?Your choice. I suppose I should avoid asking you any questions in future just to make sure I don't receive totally irrelevant context. We all have problems.
I asked you with specific reference to sports what your knowledge was, not a health reference.
I didn't call you a wanker and no, kids aren't lucky to have caring parents, when you have children, caring for them is what parents set out to do. ffs.
Shamwow thinks what is fair for cis women is immaterial and inconsequential though, so it's clear how he's reached his position.Just a bit