No, I haven’t. I’ve hardly seen any football this season, so you are right that I can’t comment on this season. I’m basing it off his previous seasons.
Liverpool player.What's that based on?No arguments with the 2nd part.
Based on quality, yeah. But AWB is a Man United player and Trent is a Liverpool player. Other than that, Trent is a much much better player.
Yes but his midfielder teammate never seems to get called 'Alex'. I bet at first you had no idea who I was even talking about.
Here’s the question. Why? AWB is every bit a better defender over Trent as Trent is over AWB going forward
Not really, AWB is mainly a lot better in 1 vs 1, one of the best tacklers I seen. In the air, positionally he is also very poor. He is mainly good at a few aspects of the defensive game. Trent gets found out from time to time, but he's still a unit and isnt getting Rashford'd on weekly basis, far from. We could barely even hurt him last season.
TAA wins us football games. AWB, well... At the very best partly makes sure you can't lose them.
He has won the Premier League and Champions league at right-back whilst being one of our best and most influencial players. How is that not his position then? He's barely, if ever, played another position for us.
In a heartbeat.
But he just gets called Ox half the time, no?
Whatever flaws AWB has he is still leagues above what Trent brings. It’s well over 18 months of this now but it was put down to no VVD etc. If AWB had Trents defending he would be crucified every single week
Right.
As a defender? Yes. As a overall package to the team? Not a chance.
Yeah in terms of positional awareness I don’t think there’s that much difference between them. It’s just TAA is caught up high up the pitch much more often because he’s much more valuable up there. When tracking runners, AWB’s pretty loose. The recovery pace and determination does make up for a fair bit that TAA doesn’t really offer to be fair.
I'm fairly sure that guy is talking juts about defence mate. He just worded it unclearly.Are there actually people in here rating AWB over Trent ?
I don’t think either brings an overall package. They’re as both as extreme to one side as the other.
I don't think I've heard pundits call him that, the way they regularly refer to TAA as Trent. But then I often just mute the streams during half time breaks.
But the gulf between the two going forward is actually immense compared to the difference defensively. It’s like a Pool fan saying that Henderson is better defensively just as Pogba is better offensively.
Could have sworn I've heard it a time or two, but you're spot on that it's not nearly as pervasive as Trent!
Trent is brilliant.
It’s not. AWB is an excellent defender, Trent’s standard of defending is at Arsenal level.
Care to explain why Scholes and Carrick weren't excellent for England as the prime examples of world-class midfielders they were?
I didn’t say he had played in other positions. This is part of the problem though; he doesn’t have a suitable one. United won the Premier League / Champions League double with Wes Brown at right back, so I think we can skip passed that little argument.
I disagree with pretty much all of that. The point of the matter is that TAA’s creativity and delivery going forward is levels above anything any other player you mentioned has to offer.
TAA is superb player in transition, plays some excellent passes in the build up play.
Nope! Maybe it’s horses for courses but AWB is the better defender and we need them to defend first and foremost.
Bias aside, you'd have to be braindead not to.
Where was Trent’s creativity last season when even Scouse fans were doubting him and his confidence was pretty low by his own admission?
His performance level goes down if there are other deficiencies in our starting XI, e.g. Fabinho being out or other injuries. If the rest of the team is set up well and we play to his strenghts, he nigh on always delivers with quality performances. So yeah in less than ideal circumstances his weakness is displayed more than otherwise, but I don't see why that's a problem. We should (and we do) make it our aim to play to his strengths because when he performs, the whole team usually does.
There’s a Bertie if ever I saw one
Only Bruno, KDB, Mount and Grealish created more chances in the league than him last season. A season in which he was indeed very poor by his standards.
Yeah I get that, and it’s fair enough. He has a lot to improve though if he’s to go to the “next level”.
He basically is a midfielder or even right winger for us most of the times. We play with a trio in center midfield, so where would he go? He isn't gonna replace Salah up front, is he...
Where would you play him? At CM, where his positional sense would be (even more of) a liability? Or at RW, where he devalues the team by taking the place of a prolific inside forward?
I was actually thinking more about his England role than his Liverpool one, and particularly Klopp's comments. I rate him as the best right sided attacking player that England has at this time, but Southgate clearly doesn't.
